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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #360 on: March 02, 2008, 04:46:29 pm »
(original question) SS, how are you able to use D3D with switchres?  With regular mame, it's all blurry. On cabmame, it just produces a very small picture.

EDIT:

On cabmame .123, D3D behaves just like using DD. I'm curious, how did you get it this way?
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #361 on: March 02, 2008, 06:03:32 pm »
Per default MAME (in Direct3D) scales the image by a floating point value.

Example:

384 pix width -> 800 pix resolution = factor ~2,084
224 pix height -> 600 pix resolution = factor ~2,678

MAME then chooses the smaller factor (in our example ~2,084) and voila...
384 * ~2,084 = 800
224 * ~2,084 = 467

800x467 pix image in a 800x600 resolution.

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CabMAME basically does the same, however only uses integer values.

384 -> 800 = ~2
224 -> 600 = ~3

MAME chooses the smaller factor (in this case 2) and voila...
384 * 2 = 768 pixel width
224 * 2 = 448 pixel width

768x448 pixel image in a 800x600 resolution.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #362 on: March 03, 2008, 06:48:30 pm »
I have the NVidia 6600GT AGP card and can't seem to run some of the 15khz resolutions.  For example, when I tried to run Pac-Man at 352x288 or 384x288, my WG9200 still runs it at 30.1kHZ but at 100Hz refresh rate.  But resolutions such as 448x240 and 640x240 runs fine at 15.7kHz at 59Hz refresh.  Seems like my video card doesn't like any of the resolutions that have 50Hz refresh rates.   Is there any way for me to enable those resolutions so I can run them at 15kHz?  BTW, I tried it using both Forceware 93.71 and 162.18 with the same results.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #363 on: March 03, 2008, 07:17:04 pm »
Per default MAME (in Direct3D) scales the image by a floating point value.

CabMAME basically does the same, however only uses integer values.[/url]

Yeah, that's what I thought. So, essentially you hacked the D3D feature to support integer values?...or?


I have the NVidia 6600GT AGP card and can't seem to run some of the 15khz resolutions.  For example, when I tried to run Pac-Man at 352x288 or 384x288, my WG9200 still runs it at 30.1kHZ but at 100Hz refresh rate.  But resolutions such as 448x240 and 640x240 runs fine at 15.7kHz at 59Hz refresh.  Seems like my video card doesn't like any of the resolutions that have 50Hz refresh rates.   Is there any way for me to enable those resolutions so I can run them at 15kHz?  BTW, I tried it using both Forceware 93.71 and 162.18 with the same results.

Thanks

I think there's something in the drivers in relation to Windows that won't allow it. My 6200 isn't similarly restricted with the AdvanceMAME drivers. Which brings me to ask this question of SS: notice this thread. Is this linux-specific, or could something similar in Windows be done?
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #364 on: March 03, 2008, 08:06:11 pm »
As far as I know there are really restrictions in the ForceWare, however those only regard interlace features.

An older GeForce2 MX for example...
With driver 12.41 it did actually support interlace (via powerstrip).
With driver 66.92 it did NOT support interlace (neither powerstrip nor soft15khz).

Hm...
There are some flags in the NVidia driver to doublescan low resolution, but that cause it with but 288 line and 240 line resolutions. If it really runs at 31kHz / 100Hz the pixelclock would be exactly the double as it would need...
As long as I can't reproduce here, it's like shooting in the fog.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #365 on: March 03, 2008, 08:47:43 pm »
Salior have you finalized a custom15khz.txt file?


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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #366 on: March 05, 2008, 03:54:40 pm »
As far as I know there are really restrictions in the ForceWare, however those only regard interlace features.

An older GeForce2 MX for example...
With driver 12.41 it did actually support interlace (via powerstrip).
With driver 66.92 it did NOT support interlace (neither powerstrip nor soft15khz).

Hm...
There are some flags in the NVidia driver to doublescan low resolution, but that cause it with but 288 line and 240 line resolutions. If it really runs at 31kHz / 100Hz the pixelclock would be exactly the double as it would need...
As long as I can't reproduce here, it's like shooting in the fog.

That's what I meant. The forceware drivers. But with older Nvidia cards, I use driver versions after 66.92, and have no problem with low pclocks. I notice my 6200 will do 640x224 at 15khz, but anything lower it won't with the nvidia drivers. With the advancemame svgalib drivers, it'll do anything I throw at it. I tried to adjust the low-level settings of the bios with Rivatuner, with no success. I tried, or at least thought of adjusting the forceware, but there's no tutorial for Rivatuner, so I didn't really understand what to do. I've never liked powerstrip, but I haven't given it a test, either. Maybe I will.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #367 on: March 05, 2008, 11:31:35 pm »
I have the NVidia 6600GT AGP card and can't seem to run some of the 15khz resolutions.  For example, when I tried to run Pac-Man at 352x288 or 384x288, my WG9200 still runs it at 30.1kHZ but at 100Hz refresh rate.  But resolutions such as 448x240 and 640x240 runs fine at 15.7kHz at 59Hz refresh.  Seems like my video card doesn't like any of the resolutions that have 50Hz refresh rates.   Is there any way for me to enable those resolutions so I can run them at 15kHz?  BTW, I tried it using both Forceware 93.71 and 162.18 with the same results.

Thanks

As a follow up to my earlier post, I was able to get 352x288 to run @ 15kHz after trying a few modeline.  I think the pixel clock determines whether or not the card would switch to 15kHz or stay at 31kHz w/ 2x refresh, though I'm not sure.

Here's the one that works:

Modeline "352x288@50" 9.55 352 392 520 608 288 289 293 316 +hsync +vsync

I was also able to come up with a 800x600 modeline that doesn't give me any flickers in windows.  I couldn't use the default 800x600 that came with Soft-15kHz because it flickers too much.  Here's the modeline for my no-flicker 800x600:

Modeline "800x600@60" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync

I hope this will come in handy to someone with the same monitor/video card combo as I do ...


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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #368 on: March 07, 2008, 10:28:00 am »
Has anyone had trouble with NBA Jam using this?  It worked fine with my ArcadeVGA but I am getting an out of range error on my monitor using Soft-15khz and a different video card.

Thanks.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #369 on: March 07, 2008, 03:49:46 pm »
Has anyone had trouble with NBA Jam using this?  It worked fine with my ArcadeVGA but I am getting an out of range error on my monitor using Soft-15khz and a different video card.

Run 'mame -verbose' from the command line to see what resolution mame is picking when it runs NBAjam. Then you can force the game to use a different resolution or remove the resoluton from soft15Khz as your monitor does not support it.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #370 on: March 08, 2008, 12:23:22 pm »
hey everybody,  I'm having pretty good luck with this so far.  I'm using a Kortek/Betson Kortek KT-2914 trisync, Ati Radeon X1550 on XP using the latest Catalyst drivers.   I do have a few questions though.. How can I be sure if a mode is unsupported by my monitor or whether its my video card?   none of the 15khz modes lower than 448 x 240 will work except 240x240.  Most times I get an out of sync message on my monitor but sometimes the screen is just black.   Also, what program are you guys using to calculate the modeline info?  I'd like to modify some of the existing mode that do work to run at 60hz.   Also, I'd like to add 1024x600 (the 1024x768 without scrolling) but Im confused about how to do that.  Thanks guys! and thanks SailorSat this programs is awesome :)

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #371 on: March 08, 2008, 06:35:19 pm »
Attached below are the SVGA and XGA real 60hz modelines. As for you not getting the bulk of 15khz resolutions, I don't know. I think the monitor is quite capable of the modes. I just got an X1600 XT and it works with the stock 15khz modes just fine. (Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be compatible with Advancemame....)
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #372 on: March 08, 2008, 11:28:52 pm »
S.S. - I just tried to install the three 352x288 user modes you posted above but I'm not seeing them in the drop-down list in Mame32/cabMame. I have the txt file name customusermodes. Before that, I tried customeuser and usermodes. None have worked as far as I can tell.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #373 on: March 09, 2008, 12:28:41 am »
Hm...
It's usermodes.txt
Should work though.
Too bad drivers don't spit out error logs if the don't like something :)
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #374 on: March 09, 2008, 10:19:21 pm »
Yeah they are 31KHz, but to be honest, neither my Hantarex nor any of the TVs I had hooked up (those SCART RGB stuff rocks!) did blow up or take any damage.
They simply cannot sync to it.
You could either use a J-PAC to filter out the BIOS screens, or you could enjoy a doubled bios output (like that "feature" on the J-PAC).

I dont use a J-pac

how do I go about enjoying a doubled bios output like the feature of the J-pac as stated above?


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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #375 on: March 09, 2008, 10:33:23 pm »
Hm...
It's usermodes.txt
Should work though.
Too bad drivers don't spit out error logs if the don't like something :)

I dunno. However, I then added a custom15khz file to the directory with only the first (18.7khz) of those three you provided, and soft15 seems to have substituted it for the stock mode. The mode looks really good. Almost perfect display. (Incidentally, this is the same as or very similar to a mode generated on my display in Advancemame. I kinda wonder why you never decided to tackle further development of this build...)
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #376 on: March 11, 2008, 03:12:54 am »
Attached below are the SVGA and XGA real 60hz modelines. As for you not getting the bulk of 15khz resolutions, I don't know. I think the monitor is quite capable of the modes. I just got an X1600 XT and it works with the stock 15khz modes just fine. (Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be compatible with Advancemame....)

Thanks!  I'll give them a try and report back.. I wish I could tell if its the monitor or the video card.  The OSD just blinks as though its out of range but it could be the video card glitching out..  If I had an oscilliscope handy I could maybe verify the signal coming out of the video card..  Its odd that 240x240 works and most of the other 15khz modes don't..

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #377 on: March 11, 2008, 09:54:03 am »
Hey, I've got a nVidia GeForce 5950. For some reason my WG 25k7913 doesn't display anything when I'm using my hacked VGA cable. I've tried setting my resolution at 640x480 @ 60Hz.

Nothing seems to be working.

Thanks,
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #378 on: March 12, 2008, 12:29:33 pm »
Hey, I've got a nVidia GeForce 5950. For some reason my WG 25k7913 doesn't display anything when I'm using my hacked VGA cable. I've tried setting my resolution at 640x480 @ 60Hz.

Nothing seems to be working.

Thanks,
Xb0x3r

Sounds like you need to post this as its own thread. Doesn't seem related to this one.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #379 on: March 12, 2008, 01:36:04 pm »
Is the nVidia GeForce 5950 supported in soft15khz?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #380 on: March 12, 2008, 02:25:03 pm »
It should.

Have you tried it with a normal VGA Monitor? These should shut off as soon as windows boots (or display garbage ^^)
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #381 on: March 12, 2008, 03:12:15 pm »
Yeah they are 31KHz, but to be honest, neither my Hantarex nor any of the TVs I had hooked up (those SCART RGB stuff rocks!) did blow up or take any damage.
They simply cannot sync to it.
You could either use a J-PAC to filter out the BIOS screens, or you could enjoy a doubled bios output (like that "feature" on the J-PAC).

I dont use a J-pac

how do I go about enjoying a doubled bios output like the feature of the J-pac as stated above?



I still dont understand how you use a second card or this j-pac feature thing in order to get past the non 15k screens safely and I am to learry to try soft 15k until I know what to do safely.

could you please explain a little better on what needs to be done and can be done becuase the description of how it is done is a little bland.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #382 on: March 12, 2008, 03:25:12 pm »
My Polo displays the 31kHz BIOS screens exactly as the jpac does with the jumper on.

As for the dual card workaround...
You add a seconds card (most likely PCI), enter your BIOS and change your primary VGA device to PCI (PCI/AGP on older boards).

In windows you simple go to the device manager and deactivate the PCI card.

Then the bios boots up on PCI (with no monitor attached) and once windows starts, the pci shuts off and the AGP/PCIE card will display (on your arcade screen).
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #383 on: March 12, 2008, 07:00:18 pm »
My Polo displays the 31kHz BIOS screens exactly as the jpac does with the jumper on.


You could either use a J-PAC to filter out the BIOS screens, or you could enjoy a doubled bios output (like that "feature" on the J-PAC).

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I dont use a j-pac or polo so how do you use or make the j-pac like feature as stated above?
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As for the dual card workaround...
You add a seconds card (most likely PCI), enter your BIOS and change your primary VGA device to PCI (PCI/AGP on older boards).

In windows you simple go to the device manager and deactivate the PCI card.

Then the bios boots up on PCI (with no monitor attached) and once windows starts, the pci shuts off and the AGP/PCIE card will display (on your arcade screen).

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what or how would the second card matter or do any justice if there meant to display 31K only how would that not give you a 31k on startup still?
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« Last Edit: March 12, 2008, 07:04:56 pm by northerngames »

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #384 on: March 12, 2008, 07:06:33 pm »
And this is what MAME spits out on my Radeon 9600 Pro when I try to run Pac-Man :)...
Code: [Select]
Video: Monitor 00010001 = "\\.\DISPLAY1" (primary)
Direct3D: Using Direct3D 9
Direct3D: Configuring adapter #0 = RADEON 9600 SERIES   
Direct3D: Selecting video mode...
   223x 240@ 50Hz -> 86.161882
   224x 224@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   224x 232@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   232x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   240x 192@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   240x 192@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   240x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   240x 240@ 57Hz -> 217.105269
   240x 248@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   240x 252@ 57Hz -> 217.105269
   240x 256@ 57Hz -> 217.105269
   256x 184@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 192@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 208@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 208@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   256x 224@ 57Hz -> 217.105269
   256x 224@ 59Hz -> 383.720934
   256x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 224@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   256x 230@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 240@ 59Hz -> 383.720934
   256x 240@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   256x 240@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   256x 256@ 55Hz -> 151.376143
   256x 256@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   260x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   272x 224@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   272x 224@ 61Hz -> 717.391312
   272x 236@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   288x 208@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   288x 224@ 60Hz -> 1622.641504
   288x 224@ 61Hz -> 1717.391312
   304x 224@ 60Hz -> 681.465033
   321x 224@ 60Hz -> 652.053269
   321x 240@ 57Hz -> 237.105269
   321x 240@ 60Hz -> 642.641503
   352x 240@ 60Hz -> 634.987183
   376x 248@ 59Hz -> 392.570492
   384x 240@ 60Hz -> 631.491061
   384x 248@ 55Hz -> 159.640606
   384x 256@ 55Hz -> 159.128081
   384x 256@ 60Hz -> 630.393442
   480x  64@ 60Hz -> 622.641504
   480x 480@ 60Hz -> 624.868675
   496x 480@ 60Hz -> 624.792041
   512x 224@ 60Hz -> 627.085948
   512x 240@ 60Hz -> 626.790882
   512x 256@ 55Hz -> 155.267194
   512x 448@ 60Hz -> 624.868675
   512x 480@ 60Hz -> 624.720506
   640x 240@ 60Hz -> 625.351531
   640x 480@ 60Hz -> 624.283540
   768x 480@ 60Hz -> 623.998356
  1024x 480@ 60Hz -> 623.648553
Direct3D: Mode selected =  288x 224@ 61Hz
Direct3D: Using dynamic textures
Direct3D: YUV format = UYVY
Direct3D: Device created at 288x224

Sailor I am getting an ATI x1950xt which will allow me to add unlimted amount of resolutions to usermodes.txt

My question is this. I saw that you are using d3d with cabmame and it picks up correct rez and refresh.

Will this work with  regular mame and direct draw, switch rez, no hwstrech or do you have to run cabmame and d3d for mame to select the right rez and refresh from usermodes.txt. I am axious to get ATI card and add all those resolutions to it.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #385 on: March 12, 2008, 07:22:47 pm »
Should work with baseline MAME too.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #386 on: March 12, 2008, 07:28:57 pm »
So with regular mame I use direct draw. that wont be an issue? Have you tested with direct draw?

Also I want to clarify something. If you add modelines to the usermodes.txt do you have to uninstall soft 15khz and then reinstall and reboot?
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #387 on: March 12, 2008, 09:17:22 pm »
My Polo displays the 31kHz BIOS screens exactly as the jpac does with the jumper on.


You could either use a J-PAC to filter out the BIOS screens, or you could enjoy a doubled bios output (like that "feature" on the J-PAC).

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I dont use a j-pac or polo so how do you use or make the j-pac like feature as stated above?
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As for the dual card workaround...
You add a seconds card (most likely PCI), enter your BIOS and change your primary VGA device to PCI (PCI/AGP on older boards).

In windows you simple go to the device manager and deactivate the PCI card.

Then the bios boots up on PCI (with no monitor attached) and once windows starts, the pci shuts off and the AGP/PCIE card will display (on your arcade screen).

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what or how would the second card matter or do any justice if there meant to display 31K only how would that not give you a 31k on startup still?
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #388 on: March 12, 2008, 10:38:44 pm »
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I dont use a j-pac or polo so how do you use or make the j-pac like feature as stated above?
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You can not. The original statement was "You could either use a J-PAC to filter out the BIOS screens, or you could enjoy a doubled bios output (like that "feature" on the J-PAC)." Which means that IF you have a JPAC you can either 1) Filter out the Bios Screens or 2) get a doubled image instead.
He then commented that his Hantarex Polo monitor actually dealt with Bios screens the same way without a jpac - showing them doubled. Not all monitors will do this, no idea which others will.

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what or how would the second card matter or do any justice if there meant to display 31K only how would that not give you a 31k on startup still?
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You can not turn off the bios screens, and - without a Jpac - they will be at 31Khz. Therefore, if you install 2nd gfx card (e.g. PCI), tell the bios to use the PCI card first, and then tell windows to only use your AGP/PCIe card and ignore the PCI one, and then do not connect any monitor to the PCI card - you will be not see any bios screens at all. The "main" AGP/PCIe card will not be activated at all until windows boots - and start at 15Khz.

So basically the bios is still going ahead at 31Khz, but on a card you are not using. A bit long-winded, but you can use a $10 PCI card etc...
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #389 on: March 13, 2008, 12:39:35 am »
gotcha now.

I thought she was saying there was some type of app or software that would mimmic the j-pac like feature and I was wondering where or how to get it lol.

as for the double video card set-up I completely understand that now also and am geeked becuase I have 6 older pci video card's that are all good canidates.

my next question is what are the steps to get it working right.

do I disconnect the arcade monitor and hook up a regular vga card and vga pc monitor run the soft15k software shut the pc down after that and then hook the arcade monitor back up turn the pc on and it should be running in 15k correct?

the reason for all my questions is I dont want to harm my arcade monitor so I wanted to be sure and understood it all first.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #390 on: March 13, 2008, 01:40:12 am »
So with regular mame I use direct draw. that wont be an issue? Have you tested with direct draw?

Also I want to clarify something. If you add modelines to the usermodes.txt do you have to uninstall soft 15khz and then reinstall and reboot?
Sure it works with direct draw, how you think the ArcadeVGA works? :)

You have to uninstall and reinstall soft-15khz anytime you change your customXXkhz.txt or usermodes.txt file.

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do I disconnect the arcade monitor and hook up a regular vga card and vga pc monitor run the soft15k software shut the pc down after that and then hook the arcade monitor back up turn the pc on and it should be running in 15k correct?

right, you can double check if 15khz is working by keeping the VGA monitor connected after soft-15khz installation, it should go "out of sync" (or display garbage) as soon as windows starts. then simply switch the cables.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #391 on: March 13, 2008, 08:19:24 am »
Salior to test with that big list of usermodes.txt I need to upgrade to Build 39. Any bugs with it or is it stable?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #392 on: March 13, 2008, 08:56:01 am »
I have an nvidia geforce 7800 gtx and a WG D9400 monitor. After installing soft 15k, I am unable to see any of the new resolutions using quickres, and when mame tries to play a game using any res below 640x480, it throws an error stating that it's an unsupported resolution. I'm not sure if this has already been answered in this thread, but any help would be greatly appreciated. Must play games in native res!

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #393 on: March 13, 2008, 11:39:32 am »
Salior to test with that big list of usermodes.txt I need to upgrade to Build 39. Any bugs with it or is it stable?

I've just added a higher resolution limit (before it was 256, now 32768) and some minor warning messages.
Should be stable :)


I have an nvidia geforce 7800 gtx and a WG D9400 monitor. After installing soft 15k, I am unable to see any of the new resolutions using quickres, and when mame tries to play a game using any res below 640x480, it throws an error stating that it's an unsupported resolution. I'm not sure if this has already been answered in this thread, but any help would be greatly appreciated. Must play games in native res!
Hm... What ForceWare are you using?
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #394 on: March 13, 2008, 12:14:13 pm »
Hm... What ForceWare are you using?

I think 97.61 or something like that. I'm at work now so I will confirm when I get home. I have been reading through this thread while at work today and came across some potential solutions. One nvidia user posted a similar problem, but after he reinstalled soft 15k, it went away. I also see that I'm using a pretty old forceware, so I'll update that as well. I'll post my results after I do these things.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #395 on: March 13, 2008, 09:28:18 pm »
Hm... What ForceWare are you using?

I think 97.61 or something like that. I'm at work now so I will confirm when I get home. I have been reading through this thread while at work today and came across some potential solutions. One nvidia user posted a similar problem, but after he reinstalled soft 15k, it went away. I also see that I'm using a pretty old forceware, so I'll update that as well. I'll post my results after I do these things.

Updated to the latest forceware, reinstalled soft 15k, rebooted. using quickres, most of the resolutions were now gone, except for 3: 640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768. Any ideas?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #396 on: March 13, 2008, 10:41:04 pm »
Hm... Are you using Clone mode or something like that?
As for 640x480, did it output 15kHz?
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #397 on: March 13, 2008, 10:43:27 pm »
So with regular mame I use direct draw. that wont be an issue? Have you tested with direct draw?

Also I want to clarify something. If you add modelines to the usermodes.txt do you have to uninstall soft 15khz and then reinstall and reboot?
Sure it works with direct draw, how you think the ArcadeVGA works? :)

You have to uninstall and reinstall soft-15khz anytime you change your customXXkhz.txt or usermodes.txt file.

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do I disconnect the arcade monitor and hook up a regular vga card and vga pc monitor run the soft15k software shut the pc down after that and then hook the arcade monitor back up turn the pc on and it should be running in 15k correct?

right, you can double check if 15khz is working by keeping the VGA monitor connected after soft-15khz installation, it should go "out of sync" (or display garbage) as soon as windows starts. then simply switch the cables.

awsome thanks for the help I will let you know how a ATI 512mg AGP card turns out  :cheers:

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #398 on: March 13, 2008, 10:49:41 pm »
Hm... Are you using Clone mode or something like that?
As for 640x480, did it output 15kHz?

Nope, only single display. The only khz options i have in quickres are 60. im not sure what numbers my monitor is shoing in the OSD, but its something like 30 over 50. i can get the exact numbers later if u want them, but they were around there.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #399 on: March 13, 2008, 11:01:56 pm »
Nope, only single display. The only khz options i have in quickres are 60. im not sure what numbers my monitor is shoing in the OSD, but its something like 30 over 50. i can get the exact numbers later if u want them, but they were around there.
Yeah they all should show up with 60Hz (which is vertical refresh btw.), but you shouldn't be able to actually SEE anything on your VGA Monitor now.
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