Author Topic: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards (Read 771079 times)

SailorSat · « **Reply #160 on:** October 30, 2007, 04:45:55 pm »

So it looks like the GeForce8 won't ever support native resolutions below 512x384

SailorSat · « **Reply #161 on:** October 30, 2007, 08:44:55 pm »

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Well, maybe somebody needs to hack the forceware. Or maybe advancemame will re-emerge, or something like it emerge. Wonder why Nvidia would do that?

As far as I know, the GeForce 8 has a "feature" with certain resolutions to "scale" it to some other resolution...
You create an resolution like 1050x800 pixels, and tell the card to hardwarescale it to a native resolution (say 1280x960).

I suppose thats for LCD/TFT/Plasma and other "fixed resolution" displays...

On my Sony CRT using a GeForce 8600, 320x240 is output as 640x480 with a bilinear filter on it (at least it looks that way).
With my GeForce 7600, 320x240 is output as 320x480 with (simple) line doubling.

As for hacking the forceware...
Well someone feeling lucky and wants to give it a try?

A little Off-Topic...
Someone tried a recent ATI card (newer than Radeon 9x00) with Soft-15kHz?

the watchman · « **Reply #162 on:** November 04, 2007, 05:37:54 am »

I have a Hercules prophet 9200 and I have tried to run the program but it just keeps coming up with a runtime error 75. Is there anything I can do to get around this?

Pete

SailorSat · « **Reply #163 on:** November 04, 2007, 09:52:50 am »

You need to start Soft-15kHz from a directory it can read/write to.

TheManuel · « **Reply #164 on:** November 25, 2007, 09:16:19 pm »

To those who may be interested, SailorSat provided me the following list of modelines for each of the video modes in her software:

'15KHz Progressive

AddResolutionToTable 15, "240,240,60", "modeline '240x240@58,795' 4,83 240 252 276 310 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "256,240,60", "modeline '256x240@60,436' 5,3 256 272 296 336 240 244 247 261 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "256,256,60", "modeline '256x256@59,496' 5,36 256 268 292 330 256 257 260 273 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "256,264,60", "modeline '256x264@58,317' 5,35 256 268 292 330 264 265 268 278 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "288,240,60", "modeline '288x240@59,885' 5,84 288 296 328 368 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "296,240,60", "modeline '296x240@59,941' 5,95 296 304 336 376 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "304,240,60", "modeline '304x240@59,305' 6,2 304 320 352 396 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "321,200,60", "modeline '320x200@59,535' 6,2 320 336 368 410 200 216 219 254 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "321,240,60", "modeline '321x240@59,014' 6,45 321 336 368 414 240 242 245 264 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "321,256,60", "modeline '320x256@59,917' 6,68 320 340 372 416 256 257 260 268 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "336,240,60", "modeline '336x240@59,749' 6,83 336 352 384 433 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "352,256,60", "modeline '352x256@59,697' 7,28 352 368 400 450 256 257 260 271 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "352,264,60", "modeline '352x264@57,257' 7,35 352 365 405 452 264 265 268 284 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "352,288,60", "modeline '352x288@51,116' 7,4 352 368 408 464 288 289 292 312 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "368,240,60", "modeline '368x240@59,196' 7,47 368 384 424 478 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "384,288,60", "modeline '384x288@51,219' 7,85 384 400 440 496 288 289 292 309 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "392,240,60", "modeline '392x240@59,898' 8 392 408 448 504 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "401,256,60", "modeline '400x256@52,419' 8,08 400 416 456 519 256 268 271 297 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "448,240,60", "modeline '448x240@60,01' 9,16 448 464 512 576 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "512,240,60", "modeline '512x240@59,973' 10,68 512 544 600 672 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "512,288,60", "modeline '512x288@50,939' 10,68 512 544 600 672 288 289 292 312 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "632,264,60", "modeline '632x264@56,751' 13 632 664 728 824 264 265 268 278 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "640,240,60", "modeline '640x240@59,96' 13,22 640 672 736 832 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "640,288,60", "modeline '640x288@50,955' 13,1 640 672 736 832 288 289 292 309 -hsync -vsync"

'15KHz Interlace

AddResolutionToTable 15, "512,448,60", "modeline '512x448@59,863' 10,6 512 542 598 672 448 469 472 527 interlace -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "512,512,60", "modeline '512x512@58,232' 10,6 512 538 594 668 512 513 516 545 interlace -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "640,480,60", "modeline '640x480@59,536' 13,09 640 672 736 836 480 481 483 526 interlace -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "720,480,60", "modeline '720x480@59,934' 14,6 720 752 824 928 480 486 489 525 interlace -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "800,600,60", "modeline '800x600@50,546' 16,48 800 840 920 1040 600 602 605 627 interlace -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 15, "1024,768,60", "modeline '1024x600@50,201' 20,9 1024 1072 1176 1328 600 607 610 627 interlace -hsync -vsync"

ReadCustomResolutionTable 15, "custom15khz.txt"

'25KHz Progressive

AddResolutionToTable 25, "448,384,60", "modeline '448x384@60,009' 12,95 448 456 504 520 384 387 390 415 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 25, "512,384,60", "modeline '512x384@59,959' 14,75 512 520 568 600 384 388 391 410 -hsync -vsync"

ReadCustomResolutionTable 25, "custom25khz.txt"

'31KHz Progressive

AddResolutionToTable 31, "512,448,60", "modeline '512x448@59,863' 21,21 512 542 598 672 448 469 472 527 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 31, "512,512,60", "modeline '512x512@58,232' 21,21 512 538 594 668 512 513 516 545 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 31, "640,480,60", "modeline '640x480@59,536' 26,18 640 672 736 836 480 481 483 526 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 31, "720,480,60", "modeline '720x480@59,934' 29,25 720 752 824 928 480 486 489 525 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 31, "800,600,60", "modeline '800x600@50,546' 32,96 800 840 920 1040 600 602 605 627 -hsync -vsync"

AddResolutionToTable 31, "1024,768,60", "modeline '1024x600@50,201' 41,8 1024 1072 1176 1328 600 607 610 627 -hsync -vsync"

ReadCustomResolutionTable 31, "custom31khz.txt"

savj14 · « **Reply #165 on:** November 26, 2007, 01:09:49 pm »

Can the Following Resolutions be added:

768 x 240 or 384 x 240 (Street Fighter Series)
384x224
800 x 254 or 400 x 254 = (MK Series)
512 x 448 = (Virtua Fighter)

I tried to read up about adding custom resolutions, but it wan't it English........Does anyone have a quick and easy tutorial on this??

SailorSat · « **Reply #166 on:** November 26, 2007, 01:17:23 pm »

For CPS games use 392x240, for Mortal Kombat use 401x256, and Virtual Fighter uses 512x384 (which is 25kHz) so you need to use 512x448.

MAME ignores the few extra pixels if you use "video ddraw".

savj14 · « **Reply #167 on:** November 26, 2007, 02:06:27 pm »

Quote from: SailorSat on November 26, 2007, 01:17:23 pm

For CPS games use 392x240, for Mortal Kombat use 401x256, and Virtual Fighter uses 512x384 (which is 25kHz) so you need to use 512x448.

MAME ignores the few extra pixels if you use "video ddraw".

I have been using Power Strip before trying Soft-15KHz and have been using the following resolutions:

Street Fighter Series - 768 x 240
MK Series - 800 x 254

Would the resolutions you suggested be better to use than what I listed above?? In terms of picture quality/Filling the entire screen.

savj14 · « **Reply #168 on:** November 26, 2007, 02:29:38 pm »

Also, If I can add 384 x 240 would that be a better resolution than 392x240?? If that is possible.

SailorSat · « **Reply #169 on:** November 26, 2007, 03:50:30 pm »

You won't have those tiny black borders left and right, but thats all difference.

savj14 · « **Reply #170 on:** November 26, 2007, 04:38:21 pm »

Quote from: SailorSat on November 26, 2007, 03:50:30 pm

You won't have those tiny black borders left and right, but thats all difference.

Hmmmm so basically what resolutions will give me the best quality picture with the least amount of black borders?? I am little confused now

SailorSat · « **Reply #171 on:** November 27, 2007, 01:27:59 am »

Use the "base" resolutions added by Soft-15kHz, they work fine for almost everyone.

If you still want to create more "perfect" modelines, well grab yourself ADVV from AdvMAME, boot a DOS enviroment, and try to create it.
It's quite some work.

savj14 · « **Reply #172 on:** November 27, 2007, 02:09:33 pm »

Using PowerStrip I was able to add both 768 x 240 and 800 x 254, which did fill the screen better than the resolutions built into SoftK.

But using 512x384 for Vitua Fight did not work for me. The screen was all garbled. What settings for MAME should I be using???

Also, I cannot seem to find a resolution that will work for Killer Instinct(320x240)

I tried 320x240 and it gave me a black screen. I could hear sound but no image. Any ideas??

SailorSat · « **Reply #173 on:** November 27, 2007, 05:29:03 pm »

The thing about resolutions is, that they are NOT universal.
It is simply impossible to make them all fill the screen without loosing pixels on either side.

For Killer Instinct try 321x240, although MAME should select the right resolution itself.

savj14 · « **Reply #174 on:** November 28, 2007, 01:34:19 pm »

All right Killer Instinct is working nicely now.

For some reason still can't get Virtua Fighter to work. The closest I got was a rolling screen.........Any suggestions???

Lilwolf · « **Reply #175 on:** December 05, 2007, 04:55:45 am »

I just got a bentson 27" multisync and have it running on a ATI 9700. Works great.
I then installed soft15k and it works great!

But I'm still getting a TON of original resolutions when I look at quickres (1024x726->2048x1452 and everything inbetween).

Is there an easy way to remove all but your resolutions?

Thanks

2600 · « **Reply #176 on:** December 05, 2007, 09:38:07 am »

Quote from: Lilwolf on December 05, 2007, 04:55:45 am

Is there an easy way to remove all but your resolutions?

Remembered this tool from a Retroblast review
Refresh Force

SailorSat · « **Reply #177 on:** December 05, 2007, 10:04:47 am »

Quote from: Lilwolf on December 05, 2007, 04:55:45 am

I just got a bentson 27" multisync and have it running on a ATI 9700. Works great.
I then installed soft15k and it works great!

But I'm still getting a TON of original resolutions when I look at quickres (1024x726->2048x1452 and everything inbetween).

Is there an easy way to remove all but your resolutions?

Thanks

Hm... Choose a custom Monitor profile like SVGA 800x600 or something, or try using the catalyst driver to limit the resolution (there was an option somewhere)

bent98 · « **Reply #178 on:** December 06, 2007, 10:30:07 pm »

Does this tool work with windows XP 64 bit? or Vista 64bit?

SailorSat · « **Reply #179 on:** December 07, 2007, 03:56:13 am »

It should work with XP64.
Never tried it on Vista though

bent98 · « **Reply #180 on:** December 07, 2007, 07:20:24 am »

one more question. I have a 7950gtx Geforce. Has anyone used it with the latest nvidia drivers 163.75?

Thank You

SailorSat · « **Reply #181 on:** December 07, 2007, 12:04:51 pm »

The last one I tried was a 7600GT, and that worked.

bent98 · « **Reply #182 on:** December 07, 2007, 03:38:45 pm »

Cool, what about the driver version? Reason I am asking because I am redoing my mame computer and I am doing fresh windows install.

SailorSat · « **Reply #183 on:** December 07, 2007, 03:44:15 pm »

Should work with the newer drivers too, last one I tried was 162.18

bent98 · « **Reply #184 on:** December 13, 2007, 06:11:34 pm »

Ok I just got my cabinet up and running. I installed my Bil labs bl27CB0p monitor. I selected this monitor because of its capablities to display multi resolutions and refreshrates. http://www.billabs.com/bl27cb0p.htm

I am running win xp 32bit OS and nvidia 7950GT with 163.75 drivers. I installed latest version of soft 15khz version .36. My questions is what mame settings do I need to use to get the closest results to orginal resoultions and refresh rates? Also once I installed soft 15khz and installed all three khz modes. I rebooted the computer and when it booted into the windows desktop which is running @ 800x640 it was flickering alot. I didnt want to screw up my brand new arcade monitor so I uninstalled soft 15khz until I an understand more what I am doing. can anyone tell me why it was flicker?

SailorSat · « **Reply #185 on:** December 13, 2007, 09:49:35 pm »

It's flickering because 800x600 is a PAL resolution and running with 50hz.

bent98 · « **Reply #186 on:** December 13, 2007, 10:01:27 pm »

Yea i ment 800x600 not 640, Ah I see now in your page 800x600 and 1024x768 are in 50hz.

So what can I do. I can change resolution in desktop to 640x480 but I still run other games that use 800x600 and 1024x768.

Is there a way to elimate soft15khz if 800 and 1024 are used?

SailorSat · « **Reply #187 on:** December 13, 2007, 10:19:54 pm »

They all actually show up as 60hz to the OS

As for MAME...

In MAME.INI...
Switch to DirectDraw (video ddraw) and enable switching of resolutions (switchres 1), then enable tripple buffer to avoid tearing (triplebuffer 1).

If you want a real SMOOTH emulation you would want to disable throttle, frameskip and autoframeskip (throttle 0, frameskip 0 and autoframeskip 0).
Please note that you get sound disortions in the newer MAME builds, so consider giving "cabMAME" a try.

bent98 · « **Reply #188 on:** December 13, 2007, 10:33:50 pm »

Thanks for the recommendations, can you tell me how if its possible to by pass the use of soft15khz when running 800x640 and 1024x768? I still those higher resoultions for visual pinball and vector games and ofcourse dont want them to run @ 50hz.

SailorSat · « **Reply #189 on:** December 13, 2007, 11:29:29 pm »

Put a custom31kHz.txt in the same folder as soft-15khz.exe with the following contents...

Code: [Select]

modeline '1024x768@60p' 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -vsync -hsync
modeline '800x600@60p' 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 -hsync -vsync

The uninstall and reinstall Soft-15kHz.

bent98 · « **Reply #190 on:** December 14, 2007, 10:04:32 am »

Ok What about all the 50hz modes in the 15hz range ? Do I need a seperate custom config file? Also one other quick question my monitor doesnt have an option to display what resolution its in on the OSD is there a program or setting in mame to show the actual resoultion running? I cant run to show me what its running at? One last questions you had mentioned Cabmame to help with tearing on arcade monitors. I compile my own mame source for optimiztion of Dual core Intel proccessors. I also compile Hi_diff into my builds. Can I used the 121_u1 soundsync hack with 121_u4 version of mame?

bent98 · « **Reply #191 on:** December 14, 2007, 04:32:28 pm »

I just tried the custom.txt file and it worked. However when I used the switch resolution checkbox and ran donkey kong screen went black. By default mame is running everything at 800x640.

SailorSat · « **Reply #192 on:** December 14, 2007, 11:52:34 pm »

Quote from: bent98 on December 14, 2007, 10:04:32 am

Can I used the 121_u1 soundsync hack with 121_u4 version of mame?

Should work, but you also need the 121u1_emuspeed.diff for soundsync to work.

Quote from: bent98 on December 14, 2007, 04:32:28 pm

However when I used the switch resolution checkbox and ran donkey kong screen went black.

Well... try giving donkey kong a fixed resolution then.

Quote from: bent98 on December 14, 2007, 10:04:32 am

Also one other quick question my monitor doesnt have an option to display what resolution its in on the OSD is there a program or setting in mame to show the actual resoultion running?

The only software I know that does this is PowerStrip, if you enable the (auto) OSD. It shows the exact timing of you graphics card onscreen after you switch resolution. BUT it is known to malfunction with lowres resolutions, causing the system to freeze for 2 or 3 seconds.

However for MAME, you could try running MAME from the command line and turning on "verbose".

bent98 · « **Reply #193 on:** December 15, 2007, 01:32:35 pm »

I think I am just going to run all games in 640x480 d3d with cabmame. I would like the flexablity to use my own mame compile and just add the sound fix. I did try to compile the all the hacks into my .121U4 build of mame but recieved this error when compiling.

src/emu/video.c: In function 'recompute_speed':
src/emu/video.c:1612: error: 'OPTION_REDRAW' undeclared (first use in this function)
Finished!
0 Hours 12 Minutes and 44 Seconds Elapsed.
src/emu/video.c:1612: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
src/emu/video.c:1612: error: for each function it appears in.)
mingw32-make: *** [obj/windows/mame/emu/video.o] Error 1

Is that beause I am using ur hacks from mame 121u1 in a mame 121u4 build? What specific diffs should I be using?

SailorSat · « **Reply #194 on:** December 15, 2007, 01:42:18 pm »

Well yeah, I usually update the hacks every few releases.
Seems somethink broke (or some patch did now work)

bent98 · « **Reply #195 on:** December 15, 2007, 02:10:28 pm »

Ah ok I just tried it with just soundsync and emuspeed and it worked with u4. What the neogeo.diff? is that to address sound in neogeo games? Also Volume seems lower any way to adjust?

SailorSat · « **Reply #196 on:** December 16, 2007, 12:23:52 am »

neogeo.diff reenables the "real" 320x224 pixels the neogeo hardware does instead of the mame enforced 304x224.
Most games display some kind of "garbage" in those area, however, thats what the real hardware does.

It also kills some "scaling" errors.

TheManuel · « **Reply #197 on:** December 17, 2007, 09:20:38 am »

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If you want a real SMOOTH emulation you would want to disable throttle, frameskip and autoframeskip (throttle 0, frameskip 0 and autoframeskip 0).
Please note that you get sound disortions in the newer MAME builds, so consider giving "cabMAME" a try.

Hi SailorSat.

The sound distortion you are referring to here, is that the fact that if you are synchronizing the framerate to a monitor refresh rate that is different from the original game's you get a different sound pitch?

SailorSat · « **Reply #198 on:** December 17, 2007, 12:18:17 pm »

you SHOULD, however mame doesn't change the pitch so if doesn't generate enough samples if the emulation is lower than 100%, and you get too many samples if it's faster than 100%.

TheManuel · « **Reply #199 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:04:25 pm »

So what is the sound problem that cabmame addresses?


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