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Question for fitness types
KenToad:
Well, just to continue in the turn this thread has taken ...
Metabolic typing is interesting to think about, but it would take a lot more than having cooked meat as part of our diet for however long (millennia? No one can really say) to show that everyone or nearly everyone should eat animal protein. For example, we are the only primates who consume a significant amount of meat protein for food. Chimpanzees are known to kill and hunt ritualistically and eat some bugs, but there has never been more than 5 percent animal protein found in chimpanzee poo. No other great apes eat animals. Mountain gorillas even spurn the hunt in favor of roots and mold. And they are way stronger than us proportionally, not to mention that they die of far fewer preventable diseases. The idea that meat has somehow made us smarter is wishful thinking and totally unsupportable.
The biological evidence right now is that we share more than 90% of our DNA with many species of Great Apes and that our digestive systems look nearly identical. Metabolic typing cannot explain the shape and function of our highly evolved digestive tracts, which, for example, are very different from the smoother, shorter, colons of either carnivores or omnivores.
Regarding the protein argument, few nutritionists cite the fact that protein must be broken down into its basic parts, amino acids, to be utilized by the body. Amino acids are found in a wide range of non-animal foods. The general argument that the most complete, i.e. the protein with the most similar structure to our own, is found in meat, has been debunked in a lot of ways, everything from Francis Moore Lappe's old-school protein combining revelation (Diet for a Small Planet) to the simple realization that vegetarians in many cultures thrive without the "necessary" protein from meat. I find it funny to think that that old protein like our own argument seems to suggest that cannabilism would be the best way to get protein, since it would be identical to that already found in our building blocks.
So, I'm not trying to convince anyone that any one way of living is best--just that these are complicated issues and it's best to study many different arguments and make your own decisions about how to balance the practical with the ideal.
And, yes, I am a lifelong vegetarian, vegan for the first 12 years of my life. Let me reiterate that I realize that nothing that I have written above is without some form of dispute. These are very complicated issues for very complicated organisms such as ourselves and who would I be to absolutely recommend one thing or another to anyone else.
Peace, health and happiness to all. :cheers:
ChadTower:
Psst - I think there's meat in beer.
shorthair:
Chad, that's not making either of you look good. kee kee kee kee
--- Quote from: Buddabing on May 09, 2007, 12:44:04 pm ---That was just a joke. My comment about Californians eating bean sprouts and tofu was a joke, too.
Please keep discussions in this thread civil.
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Can be hard to tell...plus I'm sorta serious about fitness an all. And, what do you mean? Those words were classifications: the first indicating the silliness of his behavior; the second indicating the silliness of his position in the discussion. The only emotional component in the usage for me is in relation to how those factors affect the quality of the discussion.
Ken: I think MT is simpler than that. 1) we've been eating meat - most of the time raw - for hundreds of millenia. It's in the fossil record. 2) MT is about oxidation. Being a protein type, as well as having done the veg thing, I know what my body is more satisfied with. 3) as mentioned in that other thread, some people can do veg, even vegan, whom I suspect are carb types. They can subsist on vegetable proteins - not soy so much as legumes and peas - as long as they get enough fat. Otherwise, they're generally undernourished and look it. Hell, Mahler's a vegan - I bet he's a carb type.
Cool that you're cool-headed about this. Thanks.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: shorthair on May 09, 2007, 01:17:46 pm ---Chad, that's not making either of you look good. kee kee kee kee
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???
Buddabing:
--- Quote from: shorthair ---what do you mean?
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Actually, I was referring to your comment to AtomSmasher:
--- Quote from: shorthair ---AS: being a nitwit doesn't help, here. I'll explain your ego fault, there: you perceived and assumed there was only one meaning to what you read. The meaning I had, however, was: you respect Einstein, right?...but he had no credentials. I wasn't at all comparing myself. For that matter, I didn't discover any of this. Neither did Furey - he says so. So you just masturbated, there.
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IMO the name-calling and masturbation references don't belong here.
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