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question to all you network admins out there....
hulkster:
--- Quote from: Chris G on May 02, 2007, 12:26:25 am ---Your CEO sounds a little like the type that needs to be convinced that IT can actually provide value to your company and isn't just a "necessary evil" line-item on the expense side of the income statement. If that's true, it could be tough to make your case.
That said... if you're serious about wanting some help, I'll be happy to brain-storm with you. I would need some information about your company (size, industry, etc) and specifics about the project(s) you're looking at. Not sure how much you could reasonably share with a stranger over the internet...
:cheers:
Chris
P.S. if it's really a printer project, you're going to have to get pretty creative. ;)
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i appreciate the willingness to help, but i cant really share info like that over the net. sorry...nothing personal.
i have thought of some ways we can calculate certain aspects of IT though in the past few days. finding out how long it took me to configure a pc, versus doing it another way. i can spread that out over what im paid an hour and give a decent estimate on what we are saving based on that.
thanks for all your ideas.
--- Quote from: JackTucky on May 02, 2007, 09:56:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: hulkster on May 01, 2007, 04:18:37 pm ---for instance, i was talking with our CEO on the golf course the other day,
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Stop golfing and start working.
=J
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i have no idea what you just said...your words are like poison. ;D
leapinlew:
--- Quote from: hulkster on May 03, 2007, 11:12:46 am ---
--- Quote from: Chris G on May 02, 2007, 12:26:25 am ---Your CEO sounds a little like the type that needs to be convinced that IT can actually provide value to your company and isn't just a "necessary evil" line-item on the expense side of the income statement. If that's true, it could be tough to make your case.
That said... if you're serious about wanting some help, I'll be happy to brain-storm with you. I would need some information about your company (size, industry, etc) and specifics about the project(s) you're looking at. Not sure how much you could reasonably share with a stranger over the internet...
:cheers:
Chris
P.S. if it's really a printer project, you're going to have to get pretty creative. ;)
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i appreciate the willingness to help, but i cant really share info like that over the net. sorry...nothing personal.
i have thought of some ways we can calculate certain aspects of IT though in the past few days. finding out how long it took me to configure a pc, versus doing it another way. i can spread that out over what im paid an hour and give a decent estimate on what we are saving based on that.
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Don't spread it over your salary. You'll be showing them how you can cut costs by not paying you more.
I have to do justification for my projects all the time. Some projects are easy because they provide a very short ROI. Other projects provide more features, or make someone more useful and they are harder to quantify.
In general, IT is viewed as a resource drain, and for some companies it is. I've found being consistent and treating the money as if it were mine when I spend it has netted me the best results. I make sure the CEO has access to the latest/greatest so he can see the benefits I bring to the table. I make myself accessible to the employees 24/7 and I repair their home computers for free as an added perk. I treat everyone in my company with respect and never talk down to them. My boss has told me on several occasions how some of their peers in different companies would complain about their IT staff and how he realized how lucky he was.
It's a tough road, but you can make an IT department valuable.
ChadTower:
Plus, your cost to the company is a full third larger than your salary, and if you only use your salary divided by 40 you're totally selling your value short. Plus you're telling them you only work 40.
In a small company, as the IT guy or one of a small number, being the CEO's trusted personal support guy is a great way to job security. I know a number of guys who get paid higher than avg with lower than avg workload specifically because their CEO trusts them and uses them for purposes other than company business.
Chris G:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on May 03, 2007, 01:04:36 pm ---uses them for purposes other than company business.
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>:D (resisting bad jokes...)
ChadTower:
Heh, yep. I've known IT guys who have been sent out to completely run the CEO's summer home with cat6, trouble shoot home theaters, all sorts of things completely unrelated to "work". But the guys who are good at that and can be trusted get compensated more and have more job security in the small company.
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