Author Topic: Defender Restore to Williams Multigame - Upgraded - JROK's WSF All In One (Read 60430 times)

rockin_rick · « **Reply #40 on:** August 07, 2007, 06:24:09 pm »

You rock!

So all of the angles are not sharp, but rather radiused? I see what you mean about getting the point out of the air. So you want to trace, then extend the 'lines' to intersect, then measure to the intersections... that's cool. Could you also measure (or guestimate) the radius of them?

Thank you, thank you.
Rick

BTW - no need to rush for me, I'm not in need of this info anytime soon...

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #41 on:** August 07, 2007, 08:11:24 pm »

Quote from: rockin_rick on August 07, 2007, 06:24:09 pm

You rock!

So all of the angles are not sharp, but rather radiused? I see what you mean about getting the point out of the air. So you want to trace, then extend the 'lines' to intersect, then measure to the intersections... that's cool. Could you also measure (or guestimate) the radius of them?

Thank you, thank you.
Rick

BTW - no need to rush for me, I'm not in need of this info anytime soon...

Correct... most angles are not sharp... a few are. The radius of all "non-sharp" angles appear to be 3/8"... from what I can tell they must have used a 3/8 cutting bit for the outside perimeter and for the groves for which the panels 5/16" rabbet edges fit into.

Well.. I'm starting to pick up steam on this so I want to be done with it... so now is a good time.

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #42 on:** August 07, 2007, 09:31:03 pm »

Here are a couple of pics... the Defender CP is done... the WMG panel is still work in progress...

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #43 on:** August 10, 2007, 09:10:22 pm »

Fixed the old pos light...

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #44 on:** August 10, 2007, 09:11:16 pm »

new panel and grille before painting

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #45 on:** August 10, 2007, 09:12:13 pm »

here is the finished panel and grille...

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #46 on:** August 10, 2007, 09:13:30 pm »

now she is all ready for a new finish.. I've fixed years of dents and scratches... now comes the tedious part...

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #47 on:** August 10, 2007, 09:24:06 pm »

oh... yeah I finished the WMG control panel... with the exception of the t-molding slot..

TOK · « **Reply #48 on:** August 11, 2007, 08:46:45 pm »

Still watching this fantastic build. Even used leaf switch sticks and buttons.
Great machine!

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #49 on:** August 14, 2007, 09:17:49 pm »

Decided to retro-fit the Defender mounting plate with the Robotron sound board and the JAMMA finger board... (Yes this is going to be a JAMMA cab). I just cut a small aluminum panel and used the studs that were there for the old sound board and volume pot... then I drilled new holes for the sound board and JAMMA finger board on the new panel... this way... I didn't alter the original mounting plate in any way.

telengard · « **Reply #50 on:** August 15, 2007, 12:14:33 pm »

Quote from: RetroACTIVE on August 07, 2007, 09:31:03 pm

Here are a couple of pics... the Defender CP is done... the WMG panel is still work in progress...

Good idea having separate panels. The reverse button looks to be more far away in the multi-game one. My first defender panel had the button over and it drove me nuts.

Awesome, awesome project. Someday..... I ...... will........build and WMG.

~telengard

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #51 on:** August 15, 2007, 12:31:47 pm »

Quote from: telengard on August 15, 2007, 12:14:33 pm

Quote from: RetroACTIVE on August 07, 2007, 09:31:03 pm
Here are a couple of pics... the Defender CP is done... the WMG panel is still work in progress...

Good idea having separate panels. The reverse button looks to be more far away in the multi-game one. My first defender panel had the button over and it drove me nuts.

Awesome, awesome project. Someday..... I ...... will........build and WMG.

~telengard

Yup the button is a bit far away... I should have moved it to the left about 1/2 inch... If I ever get the time or more $ I may considered re-doing it.... But I also figure... thats what the real Defender panel is for right?... so I'm ok with it for now.

Thanks for comments!

rockin_rick · « **Reply #52 on:** August 19, 2007, 07:57:59 pm »

I was thinking about this some and have a couple questions, if I may... (Colors referring to my attached pic and the questions numbered for your ease of replying)

1) What is the distance from the monitor artwork bezel block to the edge of the cabinet (RED)? Is the block parallel to the edge of the cabinet?

2) What is the distance from the monitor shroud bezel block to the edge of the cabinet (GREEN)? Is this also parallel?

3) Is the monitor shelf angle 90° to the artwork bezel block (BLUE) (and/or to the monitor shroud bezel block)?

4) What's up with the YELLOW block? Does the speaker panel butt up against it? Does the artwork bezel go all the way up to it (and rest on it)? Is it in the same plane as the monitor artwork bezel block?

Thanks again,
Rick

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #53 on:** August 20, 2007, 11:03:26 pm »

Quote from: rockin_rick on August 19, 2007, 07:57:59 pm

I was thinking about this some and have a couple questions, if I may... (Colors referring to my attached pic and the questions numbered for your ease of replying)

1) What is the distance from the monitor artwork bezel block to the edge of the cabinet (RED)? Is the block parallel to the edge of the cabinet?

2) What is the distance from the monitor shroud bezel block to the edge of the cabinet (GREEN)? Is this also parallel?

3) Is the monitor shelf angle 90° to the artwork bezel block (BLUE) (and/or to the monitor shroud bezel block)?

4) What's up with the YELLOW block? Does the speaker panel butt up against it? Does the artwork bezel go all the way up to it (and rest on it)? Is it in the same plane as the monitor artwork bezel block?

Thanks again,
Rick

1. see diagram
2. see diagram
3. see diagram
4. "yellow" is blocking used to mount the light fixture... non essential if building your own. Speaker panel uses aluminum L brackets and do not rely on the light fixture blocking for support... (see previous posts for speaker panel pics)

I'll do more inner details as time permits...

Hope this helps...

rockin_rick · « **Reply #54 on:** August 21, 2007, 06:21:27 pm »

Thanks again!
Rick

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #55 on:** August 31, 2007, 12:59:52 pm »

They say "devil is in the details"... no kidding... I'm hating this right about now. The adhesive is good for 14 days... I hope I make it!

spacies · « **Reply #56 on:** August 31, 2007, 06:30:59 pm »

Oh mate.

Looks like a long and winding road.

Here is how I did mine:

Spray cabinet black then apply the Red stencil.

Sprayed the red on.

Stencil removed.

Yellow stencil.

Yellow sprayed on.

No bleed between colours. The orange peel you see dissappeared once I added 5 coats of clear and the buffed it.

End result.

All the paint is Automotive Lacquer. Super easy to use and fast drying.
This is by far the best way to do it.
I will be selling my stencils once I have made a couple of small changes to them.

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #57 on:** September 01, 2007, 01:20:24 pm »

Quote from: spacies on August 31, 2007, 06:30:59 pm

Oh mate.

Looks like a long and winding road.

Where did you get your stencils? Are they home-made? I had some and sold them cause I thought it would be too much work... oops

prOk · « **Reply #58 on:** September 01, 2007, 06:47:36 pm »

Just FYI, I've carried Defender stencils amongst others for quite a while now

/brian

http://www.oleszakcreative.com
http://www.rgvac.com

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #59 on:** September 01, 2007, 09:27:23 pm »

Quote from: prOk on September 01, 2007, 06:47:36 pm

Just FYI, I've carried Defender stencils amongst others for quite a while now

/brian

http://www.oleszakcreative.com
http://www.rgvac.com

I've been e-mailing you about your stencils (I'm the dummy that thought your stencils were "decals"

.... I'm definitely going to pick up a set...

prOk · « **Reply #60 on:** September 01, 2007, 09:30:56 pm »

OH.. hehe.. hard to match up interweb nicks with emails etc

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #61 on:** September 01, 2007, 09:45:20 pm »

Quote from: prOk on September 01, 2007, 09:30:56 pm

OH.. hehe.. hard to match up interweb nicks with emails etc

I just bought a set through your on line store... if I screwed up the option... (which I think I did)... I want the earlier version where the spaceman back to the rear on left side and back to the coin door on the right....

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #62 on:** September 02, 2007, 06:39:53 pm »

OK... I'm going to re-stencil... stripping the cab down to bare wood.... now I know the pic looks like the artwork is in really good shape... its not...trust me there are a bunch of fractures where the plywood has cracked and there are tons and tons of gouges ... so please don't hate me and don't let the pic fool you... $:-\$

csa3d · « **Reply #63 on:** September 02, 2007, 07:50:22 pm »

Have fun with that. I've got mine stripped down to bare wood, and have been repairing every minor imperfection for way too long. My OCD kicked in, and i've almost gotta keep telling myself to keep pushing forth. Do what you gotta do, but I guess my advice to you is know when to say when.

-csa

spacies · « **Reply #64 on:** September 02, 2007, 08:36:07 pm »

Go for it man.

After you have primed it, use a torch and shine it along the side. That will help you find even more imperfections

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #65 on:** September 02, 2007, 11:54:00 pm »

Quote from: csa3d on September 02, 2007, 07:50:22 pm

Have fun with that. I've got mine stripped down to bare wood, and have been repairing every minor imperfection for way too long. My OCD kicked in, and i've almost gotta keep telling myself to keep pushing forth. Do what you gotta do, but I guess my advice to you is know when to say when.

-csa

I hear ya man! I've got a Ms. Pac I'm about to hit next...

Yeah... trying to weave this stuff in and out of everyday life is a real !@#$#@. I'm using leave time to get this done... and I should be painting my house! Starting to feel a wee bit irresponsible...

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #66 on:** September 02, 2007, 11:57:56 pm »

Quote from: spacies on September 02, 2007, 08:36:07 pm

Go for it man.

After you have primed it, use a torch and shine it along the side. That will help you find even more imperfections

Yah! 27+ years... I'll talke what I can... I've filled the grain on the first stripped side and thats it! A few coats of shelac primer and end it! Tomorrow I should have the whole thing sanded and maybe primed 1 coat...

I'm glad I had a change of plan to go down this route...

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #67 on:** September 03, 2007, 05:46:08 pm »

All stripped ready to prime...

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #68 on:** September 09, 2007, 01:44:40 pm »

After sanding it all down... and 4+ coats of BIN ... I've finally got my first coat of black on! I'm very pleased with the results...

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #69 on:** September 11, 2007, 03:41:06 pm »

First pic shows how much light was reflected off the black!... once I shut off the flash.... well... you get the idea!

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #70 on:** September 11, 2007, 03:42:48 pm »

hello there

prOk · « **Reply #71 on:** September 11, 2007, 03:55:51 pm »

Now that you've put what? 8 coats of paint on there (primer + black) you'll need to allow at least 2/3 days for this paint to cure hard so it doesn't peel!! Just letting you know that!

spacies · « **Reply #72 on:** September 11, 2007, 04:38:00 pm »

LOL. Are you trying to build a Defender Piano?

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #73 on:** September 11, 2007, 07:04:22 pm »

Quote from: prOk on September 11, 2007, 03:55:51 pm

Now that you've put what? 8 coats of paint on there (primer + black) you'll need to allow at least 2/3 days for this paint to cure hard so it doesn't peel!! Just letting you know that!

It's taken me 3+ days to get this far... I've waited 24+ hours between each of 3 coats of wickedly thinned paint (sanded w/400 grit in between)... I'm not planning on doing anything for about a 2 week peroid anyway... I've got a ton of other stuff to keep me busy

Its actually quite tough... surprisingly

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #74 on:** September 11, 2007, 07:06:41 pm »

Quote from: spacies on September 11, 2007, 04:38:00 pm

LOL. Are you trying to build a Defender Piano?

Its a Williams baby grand alright! It really is quite funny how shiny this thing became.... I surprised myself...

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #75 on:** September 11, 2007, 10:57:03 pm »

Here is the results of tracing the cabinet and recording all of the linear measurements. Sorry I separated the vertical and horizontal measurements into two different drawings... it was just too busy all in one...

Joec03 · « **Reply #76 on:** September 12, 2007, 02:05:19 pm »

Retroactive where'd you get the grated metal for the speaker board?

Joe

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #77 on:** September 12, 2007, 02:29:30 pm »

Quote from: Joec03 on September 12, 2007, 02:05:19 pm

Retroactive where'd you get the grated metal for the speaker board?

Joe

McMaster Carr (I have it listed on the first page of posts)
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=65938.msg668746#msg668746

It comes bare... and needs to be painted or powder coated.

Joec03 · « **Reply #78 on:** September 12, 2007, 09:47:33 pm »

woah pretty pricey stuff. Seems like you should have some of it left over. Would you be willing to sell me some for a joust?

RetroACTIVE · « **Reply #79 on:** September 29, 2007, 12:01:49 am »

FINALLY... its been a while but I've been doing a little bit each night... stencilling took a long time... each color was 24+ hours between coats....

Here are some new pics...


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