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Havok:

Like I said, there is a line, and that game crossed it. Here's a couple of counterpoints:


--- Quote from: SavannahLion on June 06, 2007, 02:57:23 pm ---Logistically speaking, that train of thought means that nearly every video game should be taken off the market, including an entire range of games loved by many. By your logic;

Street Fighter and other fighting games should be taken off the market and destroyed since it encourages fighting.

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Yeah, but it is a fist fight, not murdering innocent pedestrians - bit of a difference.


--- Quote ---Spy Hunter and others like it would encourage reckless driving and a blase attitude towards other drivers.
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I disagree - you are supposed to NOT shoot\crash into the innocents, just get the "bad guys."


--- Quote ---Shooting games should be removed and destroyed because they're training simulators for future murders.

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Don't like em, so ok. However, as long as the goal of the game is not to kill innocent kids, men and woman, then not so bad.


--- Quote ---Games like Centipede should be removed and destroyed because killing insects and small animals is the first of many early signs of potential serial murderers.
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I believe you are referring to the theory that people who torture insects\animals show signs of being potential serial killers - torture is not the goal of games like Centipede, so I will have to say this one's just silly.


--- Quote ---If one wanted to, a person could find any excuse as to why a specific game should be removed. Pacman? Get rid of it, there is no proof that spiritual ghosts exist and in a politically correct world, we have to consider the beliefs of every person, including atheists. Solitaire? Get rid of it, studies have shown that teaching basic card playing skills can lead to an obsessive and debilitating need to gamble.
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Let's not go overboard here, I just want to say that a game like that crosses the line - it just should never have been made, and apparently enough people thought the same at the time of the games creation to squelch the widespread distribution.


--- Quote ---The idea that video games lead to violence is no different than prior "studies" showing that rock and roll leads to violence, or reading books leads to violence, or <insert appropriate religious figure here> forbid, having your own thoughts leads to violence.
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The computer theory "Garbage in Garbage Out" applies to the human mind as well. I wonder what you think is the explaination of why there has been a rise in violent crimes, particularly in schools these days?


--- Quote ---History is never just sweet licorice, nursery rhymes, and roses. History is ugly and it's terrible and there are many things that people want to destroy, cover up or hide. Destroying history is an outright mistake, it paints the wrong picture about what it was like to ourselves and to our children. The debate about whether this particular cab should've been in the arcades or not has been over for thirty years. Destroying it now is like destroying the Enola Gay, it doesn't change anything, doesn't mean anything and destroys a perfectly valid piece of history.
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Take a picture of it, and put a caption underneath it: "This was a mistake, learn from it and don't repeat it." There, satisfied?


--- Quote ---If you want to squelch the, "rise of violence," don't take the easy way out, like Jack Thompson, and blame video games for problems with children. Look at the real root of the problem. When was the last time you ever heard a news reporter actually point the finger at the parents? (At least in the U.S., I can't vouch for other countries.) Mom and Dad need to quit expecting the school system, politicians, and lawyers to raise their children and start doing the job themselves.
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I agree 100 percent there. I screen everthing my kids watch, play and read - something most parents don't do. I don't allow my kids to go over to one neighbor's house just because the mother lets the kids watch whatever they want on tv.


--- Quote ---It's a struggle to hear people say that a particular piece of book, music, film or video game should be taken off the market due to violent tie-ins. People like that simply have no understanding why such a product went to the market in the first place. How do you logically explain to a person that they shouldn't be buying and destroying copies of Bully while that same person is allowing their child to play with Bratz? Their logic train derailed about five stations back, and for these people, there's just no recovery.
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My point is it's all about crossing the line. I guess is in this case, the market took care of itself - the game was a flop.

Following your line of reason, it's perfectly ok for me to write a book about say, how to murder a little girl and keep her alive for a month to prolong the torture, and put this book on prominent display, with graphic images on the cover in all public places where books are sold? Let's go a step further: how about putting a display of these books right next to the children's books in your local Barnes & Noble? Just focus on parenting - it's ok to do whatever we want, right?


--- Quote ---Rather than focusing on the violent games, focus on the parents and their lack of parenting. Then you'll see a change in violent media. Then work harder to preserve and cherish our history, even the ugly warts. Can you tell I'm pretty passionate about history? My mother instilled that in me. :)

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I say we take a two prong approach: draw a line, and make people responsible for what is allowed in public. If you have to show id to get into a certain arcade with this stuff, then I don't have a problem with it. I personally think its sick, but that's me, and guess what? I won't play it, or support it in any way. On the other side, yes, absolutely, parenting is a must. Too many people watch their kids grow up, instead of being a part of the process. Who is doing the real parenting today? TV, and the other kids at school - bad idea.


--- Quote from: ahofle on June 06, 2007, 03:59:00 pm ---What SavannahLion said.
It's just sad how people think it's their right to have the world completely childproofed so they don't have to bother with parenting so much.
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I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that the game is crossing the line. Where do we stop? How about some porn games in public too? Just proper parenting is all that is required, right?


--- Quote ---Like the idiotic lady who sued EA because she bought her grandson Grand Theft Auto and thought it should've had an 18+ rating instead of 17 and over.  Apparently the vehicular manslaughter, murdering of hookers to regain trick money, and car jacking were OK, but the 'hidden sex' scenes went over the top.  :laugh2:

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Yeah, that is whack - the game was already rated appropriately enough...

Man, I think that was my longest post ever - time to get out of pnr mode. Sorry guys - I just hate to see these kinds of games in public where kids have EASY access...

ahofle:

Just curious, were games like Chiller and Death Race in your normal mall arcades back in the day?  I never ever saw a Chiller until MAME and I visited a ton of arcades.  I just figured they were in more adult locations like bars.  Anyway, saint seems to have played Chiller as a youth and turned out OK so there's certainly hope for us!  ;D

To counter your other points, I will just say that it's very difficult to say something 'crossed the line' because everyone's line is different.  So long as there are reasonable ways for people to keep themselves (or their kids) away from things they define as 'over the line' (eg. having porn games in public wouldn't be reasonable), I don't see any reason in banning, burning, or otherwise destroying games that are violent.

DarkBubble:

I never got to play Death Race or Chiller as a kid, but I did enjoy smacking Roxy and Poison in Final Fight and making their tops flip up. :dunno

rovingmind:

I never got to play an original death race but i watched the movie and played a simulation. 

The game itself actually sucks, i'm frowning on the desecration of a musuem piece with historic value.

It was from an arcade museum as an example of the past.  The public spoke out about the game causing it to be pulled at the time.  That was possibly the last game manufactured (note the possibly) making it even more rare, adding in the fact that it used hardwired game logic and a limited production run.

Whether kids should have played it is besides the point.  That issue was taken care of in the 70's for this particular game.

The graphical nature of the outside of the cab is no worse than album covers from the 80's. 



RayB:

but but ... won't SOMEBODY think of the CHILDREN!?!?!

 ;D

Seriously Havok, have you seen a screen shot? I wouldn't care if even a 5 year old** played that game. By the time they are old enough to drive, the game will be long forgotten (not to mention they'll have gained the same common sense everyone else has).

And another thing, games have historically often been placed in BARS and other such ADULT locations, as far back as the 19th century. I really hate this assumption people have that because something is coin operated, for entertainment, it will automatically be accessible to kids. Come on.


**OK I might not really let a 5 year old play it, but a 7 or 8 year old knows the difference between fiction and real life.......  :P

PS: Have you played Carmageddon?  ;)


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