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TPB:

--- Quote from: saint on January 22, 2008, 07:27:47 pm ---
--- Quote ---Saint, are you prepared to personally financially reimburse the pre-order folks, if they end up "high & dry" without their money ?? ... this is not likely to happen, as David has (to his great credit) previously honoured commitments to provide refunds ... but, by his own admission, he's currently in a legal dispute with a business partner, and has lost control of his website as a result ... in these circumstances, anything can eventuate.

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Uh... *boggle* ?  This question is so goofy I don't know where to start to answer it...

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Saint,

My point is ...

Your opinion is coming from a position of authority, rather than just "from the masses" like the rest of us.

In your position, there is a duty of care, to be certain you don't misuse that authority.

What if hypothetically, the pre-order folks had a chance to get their money back (as MameMaster has already done), but didn't take that chance, as they relied on your assurances, as a voice of authority, that all would be OK ??  What, then, if it eventuates they end up out-of-pocket down the track ??

Hopefully that scenario will never eventuate, but if it did ...

Would this sit well on your conscience ??    :dunno



--- Quote from: saint on January 22, 2008, 07:27:47 pm ---
--- Quote ---Now, of course I'll get flamed by all and sundry for making these comments (heaven forbid, to dare to voice an opinion in disagreement with the forum owner and moderator).

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Now this is the only thing that pisses me off. People disagree with me all the time -- the only thing that is guaranteed to piss me off is to insinuate that disagreeing with me gets you punished somehow. I bend over bloody backwards to not let that happen, taking abuse I frankly don't deserve.


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Saint, you've misinterpreted my comments.

I was not referring to you taking offence at me voicing a dissenting opinion ... I realise, and respect, that you're big enough to take that.    :)

What I was referring to, are the masses of fanboi's (and there's plenty of them), the "yes men" who always agree, unreservedly, with everything you say ... they would see it as a punishable offence that I "dare" voice an opinion dissenting from your own.
Havok:
Well said, Markrvp...

 :cheers:

Txtworld, give it a rest - Saint is right. One question for you, however, did you pre-order a yoke? I'm just wondering what your stake in all this is, and why it has you so fired up? David is a known vendor here, and has produced excellent products in the past: Atari cones, 4.5" trackballs, Major Havok rollers, yoke rebuild kits. Granted his last batch of orders was slow to be shipped, but that all happened during his separation from a business partner, so it is understandable with all his distractions. Plus, it seems his job can take him offsite for a fairly long time at a clip, which can further set back his projects. In light of this, we all need to give him a little slack. In the end, everyone that has dealt with him got their stuff, and everyone that has, is impressed with the build quality.

To distract you a bit, check out this link:

Txtworld's Forum

 ;)

P.S. - if you get an off limits message, just ask Saint for access...
saint:

--- Quote from: txtworld on January 22, 2008, 07:43:00 pm ---Saint,

My point is ...

Your opinion is coming from a position of authority, rather than just "from the masses" like the rest of us.

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I'm just the librarian here. The only authority I claim are the rules of the forum.


--- Quote ---In your position, there is a duty of care, to be certain you don't misuse that authority.

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Hence I don't ban people for disagreeing with me. I'm still entitled to my opinion.


--- Quote ---What if hypothetically, the pre-order folks had a chance to get their money back (as MameMaster has already done), but didn't take that chance, as they relied on your assurances, as a voice of authority, that all would be OK ??  What, then, if it eventuates they end up out-of-pocket down the track ??

Hopefully that scenario will never eventuate, but if it did ...

Would this sit well on your conscience ??    :dunno

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Yes, I believe I would be fine. I would certainly feel bad for anyone getting stiffed, but I would not feel guilty.



--- Quote ---Saint, you've misinterpreted my comments.

I was not referring to you taking offence at me voicing a dissenting opinion ... I realise, and respect, that you're big enough to take that.    :)

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Glad to hear it - it's my only real hot button.


--- Quote ---What I was referring to, are the masses of fanboi's (and there's plenty of them), the "yes men" who always agree, unreservedly, with everything you say ... they would see it as a punishable offense that I "dare" voice an opinion dissenting from your own.

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You'll have to introduce me to them, I've always wanted my own fan club. I haven't met anyone who agrees unreservedly with everything I say. Humor aside, I don't believe anyone would jump on you for daring to jump on me. They may very well disagree with you and agree with me on this point, and I think it's unfair to dismiss their opinions as simply sticking up for me.

At any rate, my point is that your point's been made. I don't see you saying anything new, I just see you saying it again. After a couple of times the thread is just arguing and the point of the thread is lost. I believe you're actually doing more to dissuade people from your point of view by continuing than you would be if you stated it once or twice then let it go.

YMMV

--- saint


--- saint
rovingmind:
Can I be a "Yes Man"?i......    who is saint actually? i have a book he wrote, and noticed a few posts, never met the guy myself. 

Would i have to attend parties or something?  As a "yes Man" `would i Get to test nifty new arcade items for free?  I'm game for parties as long as daycare is available and there is a goodly supply of mixers.  Is there a "BYOAC YES MAN" button?  Would i get discounts anywhere?
TPB:

--- Quote from: Havok on January 22, 2008, 07:50:19 pm ---... why it has you so fired up? ...

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Havok,

You've had a complete reversal of opinion ... no less than 180 degree's.

You'll find that you were the first to "spout your mouth off" in this thread ... before I had uttered a "single word" on the matter :


--- Quote from: Havok on January 03, 2008, 09:43:20 pm ---I'm not optimistic - I sent David an email 3 weeks ago, and no response. Also, he hasn't been on here since December 7th, at least logged in that is...

 :banghead:

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Do I need to re-list your multitude of other quotes in the same vein ... such as making a request for RandyT to make the yoke ??


Next time, if you don't want to start a debate about something ...

Think first, before you shoot from the hip.
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