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300!!!!!!
shardian:
WTF, that lame Paolo guy from Lost plays Xerxes??? No wonder Iranians are pissed at this movie.
Samstag:
--- Quote from: KenToad on April 13, 2007, 09:04:26 am ---It just seemed that the premise of the movie revolved around a military force that was truly indestructible because of their quality and devotion to being soldiers.
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That part is pretty close to accurate, if you allow for the fact that they were in a geographic position where a small force of determined soldiers could hold up any size force for at least a little while. They were such great soldiers because that's all they did. Slaves from other Greek tribes did all the work so the Spartans could be so protective of Greek freedom.
The movie leaves a lot of history out to make them into bigger badasses, but they were the best in the world at the time.
KenToad:
--- Quote from: Samstag on April 13, 2007, 12:47:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: KenToad on April 13, 2007, 09:04:26 am ---It just seemed that the premise of the movie revolved around a military force that was truly indestructible because of their quality and devotion to being soldiers.
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That part is pretty close to accurate, if you allow for the fact that they were in a geographic position where a small force of determined soldiers could hold up any size force for at least a little while. They were such great soldiers because that's all they did. Slaves from other Greek tribes did all the work so the Spartans could be so protective of Greek freedom.
The movie leaves a lot of history out to make them into bigger badasses, but they were the best in the world at the time.
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Well, I don't deny any of that. I couldn't help being a critic as I was watching and noting that, no matter how great they were, they were bound to be overwhelmed and it sort of undermined their sacrifice and sense of duty to show them as superheroes who couldn't be stopped except by some lamely presented treachery, historically accurate or not. I mean if they are near indestructible, then there is no story, since they do not need to show bravery or anything. It's like what Superman would be without Kryptonite ... or just an excercise in CGI and choreography. Anyway, I feel like I'm crapping a bit on this thread, since all you guys already expressed your undying devotion to movies without plot and good dialogue. ;D
Samstag:
--- Quote from: KenToad on April 13, 2007, 04:33:55 pm ---Well, I don't deny any of that. I couldn't help being a critic as I was watching and noting that, no matter how great they were, they were bound to be overwhelmed and it sort of undermined their sacrifice and sense of duty to show them as superheroes who couldn't be stopped except by some lamely presented treachery, historically accurate or not. I mean if they are near indestructible, then there is no story, since they do not need to show bravery or anything. It's like what Superman would be without Kryptonite ... or just an excercise in CGI and choreography. Anyway, I feel like I'm crapping a bit on this thread, since all you guys already expressed your undying devotion to movies without plot and good dialogue. ;D
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I understand where you're coming from and I agreed it was pretty lame the way they presented it. When they told the guy he couldn't fight because he couldn't cover the man on his left with his shield, I accepted that. Then they spent all of 30 seconds in formation before they went solo. That's where they lost me.
The original 300 Spartans from the 60's was a much better movie in my opinion. Not as flashy or artistic, but a great story. And if you want to read an excellent book pick up a copy of The Gates of Fire by Stephen Pressfield. It'll give you a feel for what it would really be like to be a Spartan and march to what you know will be a futile last stand.
danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: Samstag on April 13, 2007, 04:57:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: KenToad on April 13, 2007, 04:33:55 pm ---Well, I don't deny any of that. I couldn't help being a critic as I was watching and noting that, no matter how great they were, they were bound to be overwhelmed and it sort of undermined their sacrifice and sense of duty to show them as superheroes who couldn't be stopped except by some lamely presented treachery, historically accurate or not. I mean if they are near indestructible, then there is no story, since they do not need to show bravery or anything. It's like what Superman would be without Kryptonite ... or just an excercise in CGI and choreography. Anyway, I feel like I'm crapping a bit on this thread, since all you guys already expressed your undying devotion to movies without plot and good dialogue. ;D
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I understand where you're coming from and I agreed it was pretty lame the way they presented it. When they told the guy he couldn't fight because he couldn't cover the man on his left with his shield, I accepted that. Then they spent all of 30 seconds in formation before they went solo. That's where they lost me.
The original 300 Spartans from the 60's was a much better movie in my opinion. Not as flashy or artistic, but a great story. And if you want to read an excellent book pick up a copy of The Gates of Fire by Stephen Pressfield. It'll give you a feel for what it would really be like to be a Spartan and march to what you know will be a futile last stand.
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even in the movie they knew they would not be returning. the premise is to buy time for a larger force. i enjoyed it, but i always get distracted by artistic licence. like those silly arrow heads and all the persians looked like what todays emos will look like when they grow up, what with their faces full of stupidly placed piercings. having said that, since most of the movie is the story as told by the survivor to his troops, then artistic licence makes sense. like those huge elephants for instance, and that goat smoking a hookah :scared
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