*Warning* If you play "Assault" do not upgrade to .67

[AceTKK]

Apparently there is a problem with Namco System 1 & System 2 drivers in the newest version of MAME.  Several games are affected.  Assault is probably the most popular.  Hopefully they will get it straightened out soon.

-Ace-

[SirPoonga]

Well, upgrade, but use .66 exe for assault or other namco driver games

[DeathMonk]

Assault is listed as a "changed" rom at emuchina.  Here is a (long) list of the new AND changed roms:

4in1.zip      
alibaba.zip  
assault.zip  
azurian.zip  
batman2.zip  
beastf.zip    
benberob.zip  
boggy84.zip  
bosco.zip    
burnforc.zip  
captavna.zip  
captavuu.zip  
cclimber.zip  
ckongalc.zip  
complexx.zip  
cosmogng.zip  
crush.zip    
crusnusa.zip  
crusnwld.zip  
dadandrn.zip  
daiskiss.zip  
deadang.zip  
dirtfoxj.zip  
dragngun.zip  
drgnmst.zip  
dsaber.zip    
exodus.zip    
eyes.zip      
fantjour.zip  
finehour.zip  
frogg.zip    
gaiapols.zip  
galaga.zip  
ghunter.zip  
gmgalax.zip  
gokuparo.zip  
gollygho.zip  
gratiaa.zip  
grdians.zip  
gteikob2.zip  
gteikokb.zip  
gteikoku.zip  
gururin.zip  
halleys.zip  
harddunk.zip  
jrpacman.zip  
jumpbug.zip  
jumpshot.zip  
konamigx.zip  
kyukaidk.zip  
le2.zip        
lizwiz.zip    
lockload.zip  
looping.zip  
luckywld.zip  
lvgirl94.zip  
marvland.zip  
maya.zip      
metamrph.zip  
metlhawk.zip  
mirninja.zip  
monkeyd.zip  
mooncrst.zip  
mrtnt.zip    
mspacman.zip  
mtlchmpj.zip  
mystwarr.zip  
mystwaru.zip  
nrallyx.zip  
orbitron.zip  
ordyne.zip    
orunners.zip  
pacplus.zip  
pengo.zip    
phelios.zip  
ponpoko.zip  
puckman.zip  
puzldama.zip
rallyx.zip    
rockmanj.zip  
rongrong.zip  
rthun2.zip    
sarukani.zip  
scorpnmc.zip  
sexyparo.zip  
sgunner2.zip  
shootbul.zip  
skns.zip      
skybase.zip  
skybump.zip  
solvalou.zip  
spacbatt.zip  
starblad.zip  
sws92.zip    
sws93.zip    
sws95.zip    
tattass.zip  
tattassa.zip  
tbowl.zip    
tbowlj.zip  
tbyahhoo.zip  
tehkanwc.zip  
theglobp.zip  
tokkae.zip  
valkyrie.zip  
viostorm.zip  
viostrma.zip  
viostrmj.zip
xevious.zip  
zerozone.zip  

[AceTKK]

okay, so how do I fix it?  I tried grabbing the rom again in hopes that it would be changed, but no luck.  Do we just wait for the devs to release a fixed rom?

-Ace-

[Tiger-Heli]

okay, so how do I fix it?  I tried grabbing the rom again in hopes that it would be changed, but no luck.  Do we just wait for the devs to release a fixed rom?

-Ace-

Devs don't release fixed roms - you could try ClrMAME Pro if it's just a naming issue, or www.mame.dk or tombstones if you need new roms.

[SirPoonga]

okay, so how do I fix it?  I tried grabbing the rom again in hopes that it would be changed, but no luck.  Do we just wait for the devs to release a fixed rom?

-Ace-

No, the roms aren't bad, it's the driver!
The fix, run those games with .66!

[paigeoliver]

As someone who owns a real Assault machine, I have got to wonder how exactly you play it without the funky tank controls?

My Assault was actually right next to a Vindicators at the arcade auction. I decided on the Assault because I knew you could play Vindicators with a gamepad.

[SirPoonga]

It's just 2 4way joys, right?

[Tiger-Heli]

It's just 2 4way joys, right?

Two four way joys with at least one trigger  

[atog]

I can play it on my machine but it requires me to have the dexterity of a monkey (or maybe an octopus).  I use the 1 and 2 player 8 way joysticks for movement and then have to quickly reach down to hit the buttons next to the player 1 stick.  It's doable and it's still a fun game, but as you get to the harder levels, you die a lot easier.

[Chris]

I have a button just within thumb's reach of one of the 8-way joys, but it's still tricky on higher levels.

--Chris

[Jakobud]

Deathmonk, how come on Mame.dk and on Mamefans it doesn't list any roms as changing in 0.67.  Only new ones and a couple roms were removed.  That's it.

[SirPoonga]

Deathmonk, how come on Mame.dk and on Mamefans it doesn't list any roms as changing in 0.67.  Only new ones and a couple roms were removed.  That's it.

I answered this already!  They haven't changed, the driver changed!  I don't know what's up with emuchina.

[_Iz-]

If you can compile your own version you can fix the namco games in 0.67 as follows: (I copied and pasted this directly from the mame forum, I haven't tried it, don't ask me for help with it).

Simply add VIDEO_HAS_SHADOWS to the MDRV_VIDEO_ATTRIBUTES() in src/drivers/namcos1.c and namcos2.c and MDRV_VIDEO_ATTRIBUTES() of MACHINE_DRIVER_START( shangha3 ) in src/drivers/shangha3.c

[DeathMonk]

Well, I tried assault in 67 and it worked fine...  after I copied over the one I downloaded.

[_Iz-]

It's not a rom problem. It's a driver problem. Confirmed by mamedev.

[DeathMonk]

Maybe I did something then...

[_Iz-]

As someone who owns a real Assault machine, I have got to wonder how exactly you play it without the funky tank controls?

Tall stool and feet!      

[Tiger-Heli]

Deathmonk, how come on Mame.dk and on Mamefans it doesn't list any roms as changing in 0.67.  Only new ones and a couple roms were removed.  That's it.

I answered this already!  They haven't changed, the driver changed!  I don't know what's up with emuchina.

It might be both!  I tried Assault in 0.67 and got tons of "Not found errors" but I haven't run ClrMAME yet.  Mametester say it quits with an access violation, which would be after rom loading. . .

[_Iz-]

I tried the stock version of mame 0.67 with assault. It loads the roms and crashes when it attempts to start emulation. I made the changes to the source I noted above and compiled a new version of mame. (nothing else was changed including my rom) I swapped the new .exe into my mame folder and tried again. Works perfectly.

Edit: Note - I had run clrmamepro on my roms and updated to a 100% complete and correct 0.67 set before trying either the stock version or my fixed compile.

[Tiger-Heli]

I tried the stock version of mame 0.67 with assault. It loads the roms and crashes when it attempts to start emulation. I made the changes to the source I noted above and compiled a new version of mame. (nothing else was changed including my rom) I swapped the new .exe into my mame folder and tried again. Works perfectly.

Edit: Note - I had run clrmamepro on my roms and updated to a 100% complete and correct 0.67 set before trying either the stock version or my fixed compile.

The rom and the source changed - I went the other way.  I started with vanilla MAME 0.67 and the 0.66 Assault Rom, got tons of "Not Found" errors.  Downloaded the 0.67 Assault Rom, Assault loads the roms and crashes with an access violation.  Next step is to add your changes and recompile.

[Tiger-Heli]

If you can compile your own version you can fix the namco games in 0.67 as follows: (I copied and pasted this directly from the mame forum, I haven't tried it, don't ask me for help with it).

Simply add VIDEO_HAS_SHADOWS to the MDRV_VIDEO_ATTRIBUTES() in src/drivers/namcos1.c and namcos2.c and MDRV_VIDEO_ATTRIBUTES() of MACHINE_DRIVER_START( shangha3 ) in src/drivers/shangha3.c

Could you post more specifics?  Like change line that read "" to read "?"

Sorry to be so much trouble, but thanks for the tip.

[Tiger-Heli]

If you can compile your own version you can fix the namco games in 0.67 as follows: (I copied and pasted this directly from the mame forum, I haven't tried it, don't ask me for help with it).

Simply add VIDEO_HAS_SHADOWS to the MDRV_VIDEO_ATTRIBUTES() in src/drivers/namcos1.c and namcos2.c and MDRV_VIDEO_ATTRIBUTES() of MACHINE_DRIVER_START( shangha3 ) in src/drivers/shangha3.c

Could you post more specifics?  Like change line that read "" to read "?"

Sorry to be so much trouble, but thanks for the tip.

Never mind, got already changed files here - http://www.mameworld.net/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showpost.pl?Board=mameworldmametesting&Number=15271&page=0&view=expanded&mode=threaded&sb=7#Post15271