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P360 vs. Super review complete
Dak-ak:
--- Quote from: Homebrew on April 05, 2003, 11:50:46 pm ---Does anyone else find that the P360's joystick grips to be too hard? I think they feel much more like plastic than the super's. Am i making any sense? To me the Super grips have a softer, almost rubbery feel. Not quite sure how to explain it, but suffice it to say that i prefer the feel of the super grips. This brings me to an odd question. If there's any machinists in here, i'd appreciate your input. Does anyone have an idea of what it might cost to get super handles machined down so that they would fit the P360? I'm sure its not cheap, but if its within reason, i'd consider it. I really just do not like the feel of the P360 grip. I like the performance of the P360's, but they feel cheaper constructed to me. If i had paid full price for them i'd be a little dissapointed.
-Kevin
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any machinist with a lathe could machine them down with ease... especially if you can get the handle off, it should only be a couple minute job... chuck it up, and cut a little bit off the OD...
OSCAR:
Just an update on the Wico balltop change out...
I installed a pair of them tonight. Simply amazing! I think the P360's seem even more precise and easier to control with the balltop handles.
Berzerk and Robotron just seemed so easy, I easily beat my high score on both of those games on the first try. And I quit playing Robotron before I lost all my lives just so I could try them out on another game!
I can honestly say that the P360's w/ Wico balltop handles are all I'm going to use on my cabs for 8-ways from now on. The heavy spring gives them almost a squishy feel like grommets, but much more precise and a stronger return-to-center action. These seem to give all the benefits of leaf joysticks without the drawbacks, namely loss of precision due to bent or misadjusted switches.
Here's a few pics of them installed on my mock-up panel I've been play testing:
http://www.oscarcontrols.com/tmp/P360-wico1.jpg
http://www.oscarcontrols.com/tmp/P360-wico2.jpg
http://www.oscarcontrols.com/tmp/P360-wico3.jpg
BTW, I'm using the 4" handles and I recessed the bases 3/8" into a 3/4" MDF panel.
Grasshopper:
I'm so tempted to buy a couple of the Perfect 360s. If only they weren't so damned expensive!
I realise that this is a little off topic, but Oscar's explanation about how the Perfect 360 can be switched between 4 and 8 way operation has made we wonder whether the Suzo inductive joystick works in a similar way.
According to their website the joystick is universal 4 & 8 way, and can be adjusted by a potentiometer. It occurs to me that adjusting the potentiometer may be the equivalent of changing the diameter of the actuator on the 360s. If this is the case then it opens up all sorts of possibilities. For example the potentiometer could be replaced by a toggle switch and a couple of resistors. You could then switch the joystick between 4 and 4 way operation simply by flicking a switch on the outside of your panel. With a bit of extra circuitry you could even go one stage further and control the 4/8 way switching through software by connecting the circuit up to one of the keyboard LEDs.
Has anyone on this board actually used one of these joysticks? I own one of the Suzo series 500 joysticks which is the microswitch equivalent of their inductive joystick and I think these joysticks are very underrated. Once you get used to the short throw they provide very precise control.
OSCAR:
An interesting tidbit...
I recently changed out the spring on the Player2 P360 stick in my cabinet with the lighter Super spring to test the difference between the springs. Shortly after I changed out the spring, I had a few "fighter" fans (MvsC, MvsSF) over for a night of gameplaying, but I didn't say anything about the difference between the joysticks.
After a few rounds, guys were fighting over who got to use the P2 side (interesting because many people feel at a disadvantage playing in the more unaccustomed P2 position)... Apparently they really preferred the feel of the lighter spring in the P360 for fighters and when I mentioned what the difference was between the sticks, they made me change out the spring in the P1 stick too because it was "unfair". Heh... ;)
crashdmj:
Was it the sort of spring that you can pick up at a hardware store?
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