Author Topic: Mario Bros in Red ! (Read 58999 times)

zorg · « **Reply #40 on:** February 12, 2007, 09:37:22 am »

Quote from: Level42 on February 11, 2007, 03:51:21 pm

.a huge "wood" case around the monitor...I don't know where to start to remove it....it looks very different from the metal "framed" monitors I've seen on pictures on Kong machines.....maybe this was a Radar Scope "feature" ?

yep radarscope have those wood cage.

can you please provide a lot of pics of the wood case and measurement ??
the one we picked few times ago (see below) does not have the wood case, we would like to restore it to it's full glory

thank's

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #41 on:** February 12, 2007, 09:45:06 am »

Came across a good site with some good pics of the insides of a Radar Scope..... sure enough.... looks like yours never has been a Mario Bros yet.

Zorg: Is your monitor mounted horizontal? (just looks like it is)

http://arcade.thelittons.net/Radarscope/

And here's a pic showing what you would normally find on a Nintendo cab that has had the monitor rotated etc. (for those that may be curious as to how obvious it really is)

zorg · « **Reply #42 on:** February 12, 2007, 11:42:09 am »

Quote from: Kevin Mullins on February 12, 2007, 09:45:06 am

Zorg: Is your monitor mounted horizontal? (just looks like it is)

Unfortunatly yes, the cab was converted.

also note, that even more unfortunatly, the cab is not mine

,
it pertains to one of my friend.

Level42 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 12, 2007, 11:45:47 am »

Hey Zorg,

I can get you as many pictures as you like, but in return I MUST have pictures of that cab !!!!

It shouldn't get any stranger: You've got a Donkey Kong cab in France with a Horizontal monitor, and I've got a "Mario Bros" cab in Holland with a vertical monitor !!!!! Talk about co-incedence.

I can't see it on the picture, does that cab have the bolts on the sides like Kevin shows on that blue cab pic ??
If not, this could be VERY interesting !

The monitor does seem to be lying very flat though....much flatter than my monitor's position...

zorg · « **Reply #44 on:** February 12, 2007, 12:44:55 pm »

Quote from: Level42 on February 12, 2007, 11:45:47 am

I can get you as many pictures as you like, but in return I MUST have pictures of that cab !!!!

as soon as I go to my mate basement you'll have as much photos as requested

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It shouldn't get any stranger: You've got a Donkey Kong cab in France with a Horizontal monitor, and I've got a "Mario Bros" cab in Holland with a vertical monitor !!!!! Talk about co-incedence.

open for a trade ??

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I can't see it on the picture, does that cab have the bolts on the sides like Kevin shows on that blue cab pic ??
If not, this could be VERY interesting !
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I'll check that.

maybee greg will pop up on the thread, I have pointed him this thread

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #45 on:** February 12, 2007, 08:16:05 pm »

Two red cabs overseas, both with five slot speaker grills, single slot coin doors, both look to be in great shape, one is vertical, the other horizontal..... yep .....you must now crate them both up and send them to me in the US for further investigation.

zorg · « **Reply #46 on:** February 12, 2007, 10:22:07 pm »

Quote from: Kevin Mullins on February 12, 2007, 08:16:05 pm

you must now crate them both up and send them to me in the US for further investigation.

yep just provide the adress

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #47 on:** February 13, 2007, 12:21:55 am »

Zorg: What was your friends cab converted to with the horizontal monitor setup?
(curious why it has the DK everything else still though)

Are the metal ID tags still on the back of that one?

Level42 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 13, 2007, 01:06:13 am »

Quote from: Kevin Mullins on February 12, 2007, 08:16:05 pm

Two red cabs overseas, both with five slot speaker grills, single slot coin doors, both look to be in great shape, one is vertical, the other horizontal..... yep .....you must now crate them both up and send them to me in the US for further investigation.

Hahahaha, sure thing.....I'll pay for p&p as well right ?

Sorry, but please do allow us poor Europeans, who normaly don't have a wealth of available machines, our candy

Kevin, did you notice that picture of the tag of that Radar Scope link you posted ? => Made in Japan !
But the model nr is TRS-UP-US (where mine is TRS-UP-UK obviously). But I always thought the Radar Scopes had been built in the US. Looks like they were all built in Japan and shipped......any DK tags that show they were built in the US ?
I wonder if there were also "TRS-UP-EU" machines......Back then, the UK had 240VAC mains, and mainland Europe 220VAC. Not a big deal normaly, but machines were specificaly made for both voltages then. Now we all have 230VAC here....

Zorg: a trade did cross my mind

but I'm not sure what to do yet....let's first "exchange" pictures.....I won't have much time the coming days though, I'll do my best to shoot a lot and post them....

zorg · « **Reply #49 on:** February 13, 2007, 01:09:57 am »

Quote from: Kevin Mullins on February 13, 2007, 12:21:55 am

Zorg: What was your friends cab converted to with the horizontal monitor setup?
(curious why it has the DK everything else still though)

Moon patrol
I guess first Radarscope where converted to DK, and then modified by the pprevious owner.
the cab was used by his kids.

her's the list some of the modification I remember,
monitor was changed for an Hantares
new power supply added while the original on still on the cab
huggly sqaure button added on the CPO
coin door was "holed" (is it the term) to add a free play button

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Are the metal ID tags still on the back of that one?

yep, TRS-UP-GM (upright for germany)

zorg · « **Reply #50 on:** February 13, 2007, 01:15:34 am »

Quote from: Level42 on February 13, 2007, 01:06:13 am

Kevin, did you notice that picture of the tag of that Radar Scope link you posted ? => Made in Japan !

But I always thought the Radar Scopes had been built in the US. Looks like they were all built in Japan and shipped......

right, the cabs where built in japan, and when nintendo realised that radarscope was a flop, they asked operators to send back the cabs, and they shipped it to japan again. once converted to DK, the cabs where shipped again to operators...

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Zorg: a trade did cross my mind

huuuuuu please remember the cab is not mine..
originaly it was a joke, as request to ship both cabs to US is.

arcadefever · « **Reply #51 on:** February 13, 2007, 01:25:18 am »

ZORG, i know that red donkey kong was a long long trip for you to go get it

zorg · « **Reply #52 on:** February 13, 2007, 01:36:42 am »

Quote from: arcadefever on February 13, 2007, 01:25:18 am

ZORG, i know that red donkey kong was a long long trip for you to go get it

yep but it worthes the km, we picked 3 great cabs during this road trip, Space Invader, Centipede and this one

plus 2 days speaking arcade history and so on with Greg.

arcadefever · « **Reply #53 on:** February 13, 2007, 11:24:59 pm »

Quote from: zorg on February 13, 2007, 01:36:42 am

Quote from: arcadefever on February 13, 2007, 01:25:18 am
ZORG, i know that red donkey kong was a long long trip for you to go get it

yep but it worthes the km, we picked 3 great cabs during this road trip, Space Invader, Centipede and this one plus 2 days speaking arcade history and so on with Greg.

that was a great trip

zorg · « **Reply #54 on:** February 14, 2007, 04:23:12 pm »

Level42 I should be abble to take pics on tuesday, let me know if ther some parts you specificaly want.

Level42 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 14, 2007, 04:57:40 pm »

Well, I'm mostly interested in the monitor position of course.

Front and back (inside) pictures are very welcome....the more the marier I guess....I wonder if the monitor is inside the wooden cage and how it's mounted in there....

I hope to take some more pics in an hour or so, and post them here !

by the way.....I've dreamed about a rotating monitor in this baby

zorg · « **Reply #56 on:** February 15, 2007, 02:52:06 am »

Quote from: Level42 on February 14, 2007, 04:57:40 pm

Well, I'm mostly interested in the monitor position of course.

Front and back (inside) pictures are very welcome....the more the marier I guess....I wonder if the monitor is inside the wooden cage and how it's mounted in there....

the cab does not have the wooden box, that's why I asked for dimension and photos of the box.
I'll shoot as many photos and details.

Level42 · « **Reply #57 on:** February 16, 2007, 01:58:43 am »

OK, then I'm still interested how it's mounted

Didn't have time to take pictures, but I did have another quick look at the cage. I think I now know how to remove it. There's a metal strip that needs to be removed.(It looks a lot like this: http://www.mikesarcade.com/cgi-bin/store.pl?sku=MONXBARN , and it seems to be mounted the same, but not 100% sure.....(Notice it's also indicated as being used in Radar Scope !)

Then it looks like I can slide the whole cage up and out of the cab....

I'll give it a try tonight.

Level42 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:04:07 pm »

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, it looks like this metal strip is a bit different. Not 100% sure if they are exchangeable.

Releasing the cage is quite easy, remove the two nuts on each side of the metal upper strip. Then on the bottom there's also a metal strip that's fixed both the the cage and the cab. Remove the screws and then it's very easy to slide up and out the complete cage (make wires loose first

)

This is great, removing the monitor is making it much easier to carry the cab around

First, I had a feeling that this cage would make it possible to turn the whole cage to get a horizontal monitor, but this turned out not to be true. However, it should be very possible to rotate the CRT only within the cage. By sawing out a horizontal hole and drilling 4 holes for the corner mounts of the CRT. I don't think there's a possibility to make this rotating within the cage. However, the current stands that hold the cage in the cab look like you could build about anything on it

OK, enough talk, pictures !

1st: I'm lifting up the "curtain", something to keep it dark in the monitor area...
2nd:There you see the upper metal strip that holds the monitor in place, this is the right side (from the back of course)
3rd: this is the left side

Level42 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:09:20 pm »

1st: Yeah, metric nuts !!! Loosen two on both sides
2nd:...then the strip is loose
3rd: The cage is resting on the back side on this wood.

Level42 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:10:06 pm »

1st: The whole back side, monitor cage still in cab. That wood seems to be in a 45 degr. angle.
2nd: metal strip on bottom side of monitor, left side
3rd: idem, right side

Level42 · « **Reply #61 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:23:24 pm »

1st: OK I removed the three screws on the metal strip and loosened all wires (!!!!!!) Now I can easily shift the entire cage up. Sorry, but I was home alone while doing this, else I would have made some pictures of shifting it out/up.
Here you see the now-empty cab. There's the big wood that supports the cage.

2nd: OK cage on floor, backside

3rd: Left side

4th: Front

Level42 · « **Reply #62 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:27:56 pm »

And the last one....the left side.....look at that stylish woodgrain finish, what were they thinking in Japan ? Even the inside should look nice, or was this scrapwood ?

Look at that dust too, the inside is even worse. It's really really black, very fine dust. It's a miracle the outside of the cab is in such good shape.

All in all, this is quite a nice construction, although I can see it's costly (labor !) and no wonder they changed it later.

I think there many possibilities with this construction. F.I. I could make two frames with different monitors, one horizontal, one vertical and then simply swap monitors (would require an interface though and two "new" TV's).

Or maybe it's possible to make a whole new, rotating construction. It's very possible to rotate the CRT alone I think, but this would be a bit more definite....

blueznl · « **Reply #63 on:** February 18, 2007, 03:23:11 pm »

Verdorie, level42, waar vind je toch van die mooie kasten...

Level42 · « **Reply #64 on:** February 19, 2007, 04:28:50 pm »

Quote from: blueznl on February 18, 2007, 03:23:11 pm

Verdorie, level42, waar vind je toch van die mooie kasten...

Tsja, ik sta er zelf ook versteld van hoor ! Veel geluk en goed opletten denk ik....

Groetjes !

Kevin Mullins · « **Reply #65 on:** February 19, 2007, 07:33:09 pm »

Quote from: Level42 on February 19, 2007, 04:28:50 pm

Quote from: blueznl on February 18, 2007, 03:23:11 pm
Verdorie, level42, waar vind je toch van die mooie kasten...

Tsja, ik sta er zelf ook versteld van hoor ! Veel geluk en goed opletten denk ik.... Groetjes !

"Gazuntight"

Level42 · « **Reply #66 on:** February 23, 2007, 05:18:15 am »

Hey Zorg, I put up all those pics for you and no reply ?

Need any measurements ?

By the way Kevin........that's German......not Dutch, but of course Dutch comes from Deutsch which means German but we are NOT German we speak "Nederlands", so from now on, all you English people say "Nay-der-lunds" to our beautiful language and not Dutch anymore because thats Deutsch and foreigners never seem to hear the difference between German and Nederlands.....and although we're all good friends now, we still would like to......

aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

Lekker belangrijk

(=like thats' important)

HAhaaha (to confuse you even more: German= Gesundheit Nederlands=Gezondheid) and yes it means the same

Sorry guys, I'm on some pretty strong medicine currently....

zorg · « **Reply #67 on:** February 23, 2007, 08:48:10 am »

Quote from: Level42 on February 23, 2007, 05:18:15 am

Hey Zorg, I put up all those pics for you and no reply ?
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I'm currently busy as hell..
spent most part of the night removing crap paint on 5 Midway coin door, then sanding, sanding and sanding again then priming those babies

I did not forgot the cab photos I promised, but currently to access the cab, we need to move too much stuff in order to acces this one. Once the place will be more accessible we will provide photos (only problem it may take a while....)

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Need any measurements ?

sure if you can provide the measures in order to recreate the wood box, it will be a great step for us.

Level42 · « **Reply #68 on:** February 23, 2007, 11:22:01 am »

Hey Zorg,

No worries I understand

If i have some spare time I will measure the cage.

Level42 · « **Reply #69 on:** March 06, 2007, 11:16:03 am »

I won a Mario Bros. PCB set on e-bay.......I know it's untested but it seems to come from a supplier's warehouse. I don't know, I just hope I'm lucky on the PCB-front for once....

Level42 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 12, 2007, 07:20:09 pm »

I guess I will need another wire-harness for this. The connectors that are currently inside the cab don't look like anything that will be fitting on the Mario Bros PCB set.....

Can anybody take a look at the pictures of the wires and connectors and who knows this Nintendo stuff let me know ? Any place to get a new harness ?

Level42 · « **Reply #71 on:** March 22, 2007, 03:27:54 pm »

Can anybody help who knows what harness I will need for the Mario Bros PCB ?

Thanks !

audiomidiman · « **Reply #72 on:** October 05, 2007, 03:23:40 pm »

Opps... Wrong Topic.

WunderCade · « **Reply #73 on:** May 26, 2008, 02:58:57 pm »

Level42...how did the eBay pcb work out for ya? Do you still require the Mario Bros. harness?

Level42 · « **Reply #74 on:** May 26, 2008, 04:33:45 pm »

Hah, well it's still waiting here for it's first test-run......

I might need it. I just pulled the cab from my shed (and parked the Centi there) and am removing all loose stuff in there.
Let me check what's in there and get the PCB set. This is going to be a bit of a puzzle to see what goes where :S

This cab is totally filthy inside. I think I will remove every single part inside to give it a total cleaning.

I already found the two power supplies again.

The good news is that the coin-door and marquee holders have been powdercoated already (together with the Galaxian stuff)

Level42 · « **Reply #75 on:** May 26, 2008, 06:14:26 pm »

Funny how interesting it can be to read your own old thread

Was a nice way to refresh my memory.
Wunder, yes I need a harness. All the plugs and cables I have are for the Radar Scope/Early DK boards and won't fit the MB PCB set.

Level42 · « **Reply #76 on:** May 27, 2008, 01:47:02 pm »

First steps:

Cut off the UK power plug and installed a proper one (

).

I removed the cable that ran to the incadescent light bulb that was on the marquee. That bulb didn't have the screw-in connection as we have over here, but the one with two pins sticking out the sides. I guess that's a US version (Japan) ?
Anyway, I will install a new TL fixture anyway so I removed the mains cable. And plugged it in:

FLASH and all of a sudden TV went out as well. The circuit breaker had jumped. There was another loose piece of mains wire that was unisolated and short circuiting :S

Stupid !

Removed it, next power up. The transformer puts out about 98 Volts AC. Looks OK to me. Chose one of the PSU and connected it, I can measure the usual voltages on various pins so I guess this one is OK. No time to check the other,but there was still time to plug in the monitor.
No sparks, but a nice start-up sound. We have neck-glow and (and that's a great feature of an inverted signal) an all white screen ! Exactly like it shoud be without a signal connected.

Damn, that's sweet !

Sure it has some problems, it's moving a bit in the horizontal direction and there seems to be some sync issues, but there's no signal connected now and I guess it could do with a cap-kit.

There's a slightly burn-in that clearly gives away that it has been used in vertical position. There's a high-score on the top and some stuff on the bottom, but I can't identify it. This actualy may well be from the Radar Scope game !!!
Who knows, maybe they half-converted it and still played Radar Scope in it ? I guess that's a 2-way game too....

A very good start indeed !

Level42 · « **Reply #77 on:** June 01, 2008, 02:57:26 am »

Man it's great to have some time to work on a cab....

This is how it looked when it came out of the shed: What a shame about all that side damage.....but with some good cleaning it will already look a lot better....still uncleaned here:

I removed the bezel and marquee before it went into storage and put them in a safe place.
The coindoor has already been powdercoated and just needs to be mounted back.

The back is going to need a fresh black paint:

What do you do when the original Japanese sized 100V tube dies ? You replace it with a carefully mounted incandescent light bulb all the way on the right side of the marquee area. I bet it gave a nice even lighted marquee !! The wood under it was _just_ not burned all the way through !

Needless to say I removed this "nice" set-up.

I wondered what that grass-like stuff was under the original fixture. Turned out it was some tape that dried out so much is became like straw....weird. There was also stuff like that over the typical Japanese starter-lamp. My guess is that those tapes should have been removed when the machine was first put in service but no-one bothered....

I'm still not sure wether to find for an original tube for the original fixture or replace the whole thing. The last option is probably easier, cheaper and giving a more even lit marquee.....

This is the dirtiest cab I've found so far. The dust inside looks black/dark grey, like car exhaust particles, maybe it was in a garage for a long time ?

Anyway, it needs some serious vacuuming...

Yes vacuuming is pretty needed and effective:

Removed the power supply board. This was what it originally looked like, even vacuuming doesn't get it that clean

First things first: Let's check the power supplies.
Let's see what comes out of the transformer:

Looks fine to me. It doesn't produce 100VAC exactly because the mains wiring is hooked up to the 240 VAC tab (former UK standard) and we now have 230 VAC all over Europe (and yes, that includes the UK, wether they like it or not

). Anyway, the other option would connect it to the 220VAC tab, but that would give a (slightly) too high voltage. All in all, this is the set-up I choose, so I let it be as is.

As a "bonus" the cab came with two PP-7B supplies.

Let's check both the PP-7B's:

The first works fine. Power levels as expected, maybe needs some small adjustments but it's unloaded now....
The second is completely dead. Maybe just the fuse, but could anything of course. Will check that out later.

Level42 · « **Reply #78 on:** June 01, 2008, 03:23:44 am »

The CRT. The spots sare just dirt which cleaned off without a problem. There is a light but clearly identifiable burn-in of Radar Scope. I can see the high score words on the top and the lines of the "3D" grid. Also the power meter (or where the ship moved) on the bottom.

So, at one time it looked like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmi9q19lC34[/youtube]

Inside shot of the monitor cage. Here's a "left-over" from possible controls on the front-side. The control area is covered by a lid on the front (normally this is under the black covering bezel).

The controls board. I think the audio section is here too, but I'm not sure. Is this the same on the 20-EZ ?

The monitor PCB. There's no indications of what type of monitor this is. The CRT does have a Sanyo label. The Radar Scope manual mentions some 14" monitors (for the cocktail of course) and the 20EZ, but also the 20-DZC. Since D comes before E, I guess that is the one inside my cab....
Needless to say this needs a good cleaning....

There is no separate instruction card on MB, unlike DK and DKjr. instead it is "integrated" into the CPO. So, I will need to remove those sticky residues and paint the bar above the CP black again.
It's also not in the best physical shape, it can do with some extra screws here and there:

Original speaker. Look at the kickplate, it's been hit badly right next to the speaker....The way of "mounting" the kickplate to the lower CP part is also not very sturdy: staples ! Will need to fix that...

Some more vacuuming of the wood that carries the monitor cage.

The speaker looks fine still:

Just a bit dirty:

This shows the kickplate damage better:

This doesn't look very nice at all:

If anyone knows where to find exactly the same laminate covering in the correct color.......

Still, cleaning will get it to look a lot better already....

Extreme nudity:

Monitor removed:

Level42 · « **Reply #79 on:** June 01, 2008, 03:36:53 am »

Well......of course I need a horizontal monitor for MB right ?

So, the simplest way is to simply rotate the wooden cage:

Nice idea, eey.........there's only one slight little tiny problem:

And another, problem, it doesn't fit between the two sliding guides on the carrying panel:

You see the strips on the right and left here.....so they must go !

After removing the strips it sits nicely. Now let's see how to solve the sticking out part of the cage.
Luck is with me: there are no essential parts of the monitor itself sticking out ! It's just "empty" space. Only the controls (audio?) PCB is in the way, but that's easily moved to a bit lower spot in the cage.

So, let's mark what I will have to remove to make it fit:

I'm a bit worried that the strength of the structure of the cage will be a lot less when I remove that part, but I can flip over a part of the wood and reconnect it, making a new angled back-end. I will also have to fix the cage to the cab support, but since it's wood all-over that won't be a problem....

Another good thing is that I can still turn the monitor back in vertical position when I want to.

Regretfully I didn't have the time anymore to put the saw in the wood.....


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