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| Xam:
--- Quote from: Xam on January 29, 2007, 08:37:45 pm --- --- Quote from: RTSDaddy2 on January 29, 2007, 03:53:43 pm ---Ok Fredster, you had to ask 1) We were brought up to respect our elders. 2) These people commanded & earned our respect. 3) We knew if we didn't we'd get our backsides worn out at home. But you can't do that today. A teacher or parent threatens to spank their child and the child, to quote Robin Williams, says "You hit me, I'll write a book." InSociety has changed. We must treat everyone as an equal so as not to damage fragile "self esteems." I don't know about you, but I haven't met a kid yet who was on my level intellectually, no matter how smart that child is, because they do not have the spiritual and emotional maturity to go with it. Period. Spehtr, did you read my posts? I said not all teachers are worth their weight in gold. At what point, however, do you decide "she / he's incompentent" and thus that justify your being disrespectful? I see your point...do you see mine? We were taught respect for our elders 24 /7 - not when the mood struck us. Your list is correct but incomplete...the principal could also tan your hide if you got out of line...2 tanning...my leather was not that high a quality...1 tanning was all it could take. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! In all seriousness...getting disciplined twice for the same offense was a deterent for me...wasn't to say the double dip did not occur...it just happened less often. EDIT: Self esteem comes from achievment...not being equal. Kids are not dumb. On our basketball team...the kids know who the go to guys are. My job as a coach is to teach them they can still contribute even if they lack the talent of some of the others. I have seen very positive results using this method. The look of pride on their faces when they do well is priceless. They have the look of..."I CAN do it! Even if I'm not as talented as Joe...I CAN still do this" That goes a long way in life! Xam --- End quote --- Ok...my comments should have been below the quote...so I will quote myself for clarification. Your list is correct but incomplete...the principal could also tan your hide if you got out of line...2 tanning...my leather was not that high a quality...1 tanning was all it could take. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! In all seriousness...getting disciplined twice for the same offense was a deterent for me...wasn't to say the double dip did not occur...it just happened less often. EDIT: Self esteem comes from achievment...not being equal. Kids are not dumb. On our basketball team...the kids no who the go to guys are. My job as a coach is to teach them they can still contribute even if they lack the talent of some of the others. I have seen very positive results using this method. The look of pride on their faces when they do well is priceless. They have the look of..."I CAN do it! Even if I'm not as talented as Joe...I CAN still do this" That goes a long way in life! Xam --- End quote --- |
| monkeybomb:
I just finished a three year teaching experience in the inner city of Los Angeles - special ed - middle school. I have no intention on ever teaching again unless there is a genuine punishment for disrespectful students. A referral is a joke and the students know that before day one. They also know that the principals don't care what happens as long as they aren't bothered. The battle is too up hill. You can win them over by being a good teacher. But you can't do anything when students have real life adult problems and only want to destroy your class when they come up. like a brother getting shot or some garbage like that. I was taking those problems home with me and realized I needed to quit. I was good too, but I'm not interested in this system. I will say that I also taught north of LA in a middle class area and it was much easier. The kids in that neighborhood were scared of a phone call home, so they did what they were supposed too. I think that is the consequence teachers need. But that's what teachers won't get these days, in many places. |
| shmokes:
It's a more difficult problem than discipline, IMO. If you're teaching in a poor area, you are not teaching in a spare the rod area. Poor kids are much more likely to be spanked than middle class kids. These kids are probably going home and getting the piss kicked out of them when they get that phone call, but they've just learned to deal with having ---smurfy--- parents. I know when I was in middle school I couldn't care less whether you called my parents, and it wasn't because my parents weren't going to go off the deep-end when I got home. |
| ChadTower:
In my experience, poor kids are less likely to be beaten, on average. A lot of them barely even see their parents. One parent is gone completely and the other is always either working or out someplace else. They come home to an empty house. The middle class kids, the ones with both parents at home, doesn't necessarily mean that their parents are any good. Most of the kids I've known who were beaten badly at home were middle class kids with alcoholic parent(s). |
| sphetr2:
--- Quote from: RTSDaddy2 on January 29, 2007, 03:53:43 pm ---Spehtr, did you read my posts? I said not all teachers are worth their weight in gold. At what point, however, do you decide "she / he's incompetent" and thus that justify your being disrespectful? I see your point...do you see mine? We were taught respect for our elders 24 /7 - not when the mood struck us. --- End quote --- I don't know, I'm don't disrespect my teachers, so I couldn't tell you. And like it has been mentioned, it depends on how you've been brought up. And I...uhh...read some of your posts. :D Hey! They're really long! --- Quote from: ChadTower on January 29, 2007, 04:15:23 pm ---What most parents don't understand now, and never will, is that kids don't learn by word. They learn by example. You can tell your kid to say please and thank you a billion times, but if you don't do it, neither will they. --- End quote --- I disagree. Granted, there are some things that must be taught by example. But there comes an time when you respect and value what your parents say, and heed their advice, without 'example'. I believe I have reached this stage in my life. :angel: |
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