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RTSDaddy2:
Ok Fredster, you had to ask
1) We were brought up to respect our elders.
2) These people commanded & earned our respect.
3) We knew if we didn't we'd get our backsides worn out at home.
But you can't do that today. A teacher or parent threatens to spank their child and the child, to quote Robin Williams, says "You hit me, I'll write a book."
Society has changed. We must treat everyone as an equal so as not to damage fragile "self esteems." I don't know about you, but I haven't met a kid yet who was on my level intellectually, no matter how smart that child is, because they do not have the spiritual and emotional maturity to go with it. Period.
Spehtr, did you read my posts? I said not all teachers are worth their weight in gold. At what point, however, do you decide "she / he's incompentent" and thus that justify your being disrespectful? I see your point...do you see mine? We were taught respect for our elders 24 /7 - not when the mood struck us.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: RTSDaddy2 on January 29, 2007, 03:53:43 pm ---At what point, however, do you decide "she / he's incompentent" and thus that justify your being disrespectful?
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When it became apparent that there were no consequences for being so. Kids now are just like kids then - the only difference is the consequences. Kids don't respect by their nature, they are taught respect. Usually by a combination of negative reinforcement combined with visual example.
What most parents don't understand now, and never will, is that kids don't learn by word. They learn by example. You can tell your kid to say please and thank you a billion times, but if you don't do it, neither will they.
Samstag:
My wife had a rough time as a teacher for a while, but eventually found a school that appreciates and supports her. She doesn't have to put up with disrespect from the kids anymore. She makes enough that if she were on her own she wouldn't work summers unless it was to avoid boredom. And this is in a lower-middle class public school.
Like any job, sometimes you work in a great environment, sometimes it's not worth sticking around for the paycheck.
sphetr2:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on January 29, 2007, 03:45:47 pm ---
So, what are the consequences for that? In either class?
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Were you talking to me? If so:
I swear, NOBODY talks out in the first class I mentioned (EVER); he probably has no punishments planned anyway. But I'm guessing referral.
In the second class, the teacher just says some crap like "be quiet" or whatever. After maybe 3 disruptions she will give a referral or detention probably. I dunno, I am a good kid. ;D
Suspension, referrals, detentions, they don't work no mores! We needz teh new punishments consequences!
Xam:
--- Quote from: RTSDaddy2 on January 29, 2007, 03:53:43 pm ---Ok Fredster, you had to ask
1) We were brought up to respect our elders.
2) These people commanded & earned our respect.
3) We knew if we didn't we'd get our backsides worn out at home.
But you can't do that today. A teacher or parent threatens to spank their child and the child, to quote Robin Williams, says "You hit me, I'll write a book."
InSociety has changed. We must treat everyone as an equal so as not to damage fragile "self esteems." I don't know about you, but I haven't met a kid yet who was on my level intellectually, no matter how smart that child is, because they do not have the spiritual and emotional maturity to go with it. Period.
Spehtr, did you read my posts? I said not all teachers are worth their weight in gold. At what point, however, do you decide "she / he's incompentent" and thus that justify your being disrespectful? I see your point...do you see mine? We were taught respect for our elders 24 /7 - not when the mood struck us.
Your list is correct but incomplete...the principal could also tan your hide if you got out of line...2 tanning...my leather was not that high a quality...1 tanning was all it could take. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
In all seriousness...getting disciplined twice for the same offense was a deterent for me...wasn't to say the double dip did not occur...it just happened less often.
EDIT: Self esteem comes from achievment...not being equal. Kids are not dumb. On our basketball team...the kids know who the go to guys are. My job as a coach is to teach them they can still contribute even if they lack the talent of some of the others. I have seen very positive results using this method. The look of pride on their faces when they do well is priceless. They have the look of..."I CAN do it! Even if I'm not as talented as Joe...I CAN still do this" That goes a long way in life!
Xam
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