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boykster:
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I like the touchscreen remotes. I don't like paying more for a remote than I do 75% of the components it would control.
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Ebay is your friend. I buy ProntoNEO remotes regularly off of ebay for ~$20-40, often they are "broken" and need a bit of TLC, but for the most part, ppl buy them and don't ever program them and want to get rid of them for something.
Right now however, there are only fairly high priced (xmas markup?) NEO's. The JP1 is a great hard button alternative though.
--- Quote from: shmokes on December 30, 2006, 01:08:11 pm ---I dislike touchscreen remotes. Why would I want to do with two hands what I can already do with one hand for a fraction of the price?
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I agree, that's why prono NEO's are a good alternative. Touchscreen for advanced functionality, but a good set of hard buttons for standard stuff (ch+, ch-, vol+, vol-, up, down, left, right, ok) that you can operate with one hand in the dark. Also, if you program all remotes with the same layout, you can even operate a touchscreen with one hand.
You will NEVER have the same level of advanced control with a hard button only remote than with a touchscreen. Show me a hard button remote that you can hand to a visitor in your house that they can figure out how to use without a manual....
Just my $0.02
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patrickl:
I never liked the pronto's. Well I admit they looked cool when they were first introduced years ago (that same look seems a bit dated now though), but it's just too impractical and non ergonomical. I'd say the Harmony series is just as easy to pick up and use as the pronto. The harmony has buttons besides the screen which actually works better for me than a touch screen (especially one with only two columns of buttons)
I owned some of those cheap AllInOne remotes before and they all tended to break down/hang/crash a lot. Maybe they improved, but they won't get my business again.
If you need a remote for many rooms it might turn expensive to get Harmonies or Pronto's, but then how many rooms can one have that need a programmable remote?
I also wonder how much time is spent on getting those JP1's to work. Isn't it more efficient to pay a bit extra for something that works off the shelf?
gonzobrian:
--- Quote from: patrickl on December 30, 2006, 06:58:52 pm ---I never liked the pronto's. Well I admit they looked cool when they were first introduced years ago (that same look seems a bit dated now though), but it's just too impractical and non ergonomical. I'd say the Harmony series is just as easy to pick up and use as the pronto. The harmony has buttons besides the screen which actually works better for me than a touch screen (especially one with only two columns of buttons)
I owned some of those cheap AllInOne remotes before and they all tended to break down/hang/crash a lot. Maybe they improved, but they won't get my business again.
If you need a remote for many rooms it might turn expensive to get Harmonies or Pronto's, but then how many rooms can one have that need a programmable remote?
I also wonder how much time is spent on getting those JP1's to work. Isn't it more efficient to pay a bit extra for something that works off the shelf?
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I've use JP1 for about 5 years now and I have never had one "break down/hang/crash" not sure what all that means but they are rock solid. But like I said if for some reason you loose your programing all you have to do is plug it into your computer and upload your saved file. In 5 years I have never had to do this for any other reason that I wanted to fix what I messed up playing around with diffirent macros etc.
Also to address your question about time and money. I have more of one than the other. But all things considered I probably had one weekend invested in it. The support, documentation and software are all readily available and easy to understand and use. Nothing like the time I invested in learning how to back up my DVD's, mod my xbox, hack my tivo etc.
patrickl:
--- Quote from: gonzobrian on December 30, 2006, 08:20:41 pm ---I've use JP1 for about 5 years now and I have never had one "break down/hang/crash" not sure what all that means but they are rock solid. But like I said if for some reason you loose your programing all you have to do is plug it into your computer and upload your saved file. In 5 years I have never had to do this for any other reason that I wanted to fix what I messed up playing around with diffirent macros etc.
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I tried 2 or 3 OneForAll remotes and they all would stop functioning completely and/or required reprogramming quite often. Maybe I had crappy models or something. The ones I had even had to be reprogrammed if the batteries ran out.
--- Quote from: gonzobrian on December 30, 2006, 08:20:41 pm ---Also to address your question about time and money. I have more of one than the other. But all things considered I probably had one weekend invested in it. The support, documentation and software are all readily available and easy to understand and use. Nothing like the time I invested in learning how to back up my DVD's, mod my xbox, hack my tivo etc.
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Actually the Harmony set-up can take some time to get right too. You need to look up all the devices and maybe fine tune the activities you want to use. There was a delay programmed in by default in there that I wanted out.
Guess it depends on your income and/or available amount of free time if it's woth it. For me spending a weekend to save maybe $50 or $100 is not an option. Maybe for an RF solution with several remotes that might change though. But then of course, the higher comfort level of a Harmony is already well worth it to me.
SirPeale:
--- Quote from: patrickl on December 30, 2006, 10:09:34 pm ---I tried 2 or 3 OneForAll remotes and they all would stop functioning completely and/or required reprogramming quite often. Maybe I had crappy models or something. The ones I had even had to be reprogrammed if the batteries ran out.
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I've got one, and although I liked it in the day, I can barely use it anymore. Doesn't have any of my DVD codes in it, and since I don't have a VCR anymore all it does for me is a TV remote.
Supposed to be good forever ---my bottom---.