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| destructor:
I bought my P360 after reading RetroBlast review too. After first days of playing my opinion was that reviews is right. I never say that diagonals are mega hard. But what is possible that in RetroBlast review J-Stik and P360 diagonals have the same note? P360 diagonals are not easy as J-Stik, T-Stik, Mag-Stik or other joystick with square restrictor. Please use you brain and think how is possible to hit diagonal on circle restrictor easier than on square. Nobody is arrogant nostrebor, these are facts. --- Quote ---Destructor: You say 90% of players find diagonals hard on the P360? I say that 99% of statistics are made up on the spot. --- End quote --- As kowal say, please read opinions on this forum in other topics or on other forums, where are really good players. I use these opinions for this 90%. --- Quote ---Actually I reviewed the MagStik and I did have issues at first with hitting the diags but soon adjusted. --- End quote --- Can you say me what you adjusted in joystick with microswitches and square restrictor? --- Quote from: JackTucky on November 16, 2006, 04:43:57 pm ---Uhh, harpel or karpel or whatever will get 200 hrs in one day! You are not professional! --- End quote --- Nobody say that hours of playing = strenght of player. True is here: more hours you play = you know more about controller. But you must play seriously (not during party only :)) and check all details. |
| RobotronNut:
hi guys - i think i can shed some light on this debate by recounting my P360 journey... i, too, bought P360's with slikstik handles, based on the retroblast review. i used them quite a bit and was happy with them. i'd routinely get into the 500K's in robotron, and my high score was in the low 600Ks. over time, i began to become a little uneasy. usually, i'd be killed for "the right reasons" - got herded into a corner, was surrounded by a hail of guided missiles, etc. but sometimes i'd think "that wasn't my fault... i knew i needed to shoot in that direction, and i thought i was shooting in that direction, but the shots didn't go where i thought i was pointing the joystick." then, i saw kowal's post about modding the P360's and decided try out his mods: smaller diameter actuator, shorter handle, lighter spring (the shorter handle gives you less leverage, and your stock spring feels much too strong). these mods seem very subtle, almost imperceptible, under non-stress situations, like the early levels of robotron, but when things start to get really intense, they make a huge difference. i had the "shots didn't go where i thought i was aiming" experience a lot less, and i started thinking things like "wow, that was a very tight spot, and i'm used to getting killed in situations like that, but somehow i seem to be able to magically sneak out of these tight spots a lot more than i used to." now, i routinely get into 800K's and 900K's, and my high score is 1.3M. thinking analytically about my game experiences, i realized "the shots didn't go where i thought i was pointing the joystick" was always when i was trying to shoot diagonally. sitting in a calm, near-empty screen on level one of robotron, testing out my joystick, sending shots in all directions, i would have said "the P360's diagonals are fine." but after playing extensively at high levels with and without kowal's mod, i am now convinced that a stock P360 doesn't have enough diagonal. if you took away my kowal-modded P360s, and i could only play with stock P360s, i'd start dying more often from missed diagonals and running out of lives in the 500K's again and i'd become frustrated and scream in disgust, "THESE STOCK P360S HAVE TERRIBLE DIAGONALS." the same can be said for engagement, which is determined, on a P360, by the diameter of the actuator, the height and weight of the handle, and the strength of the spring. in robotron, engagement matters more for the left-hand (moving) joystick, than the right hand (firing) joystick. the faster engagement of my modded P360s translates into more precise movement and the experience of "i can sneak through tighter spots than i could before." initially, i had no complaints about the engagement of my stock P360s, but after playing with the tighter engagement of my modded P360s, i judge the stock P360s to engage too slowly. getting back to the current debate, i fully understand why one side can say "stock P360s are great," and the other side can say "stock P360s are terrible," since i myself have held both positions. unfortunately, for kevin and james, i think kowal and destructor have the more "enlightened" position. since i've realized that i can be happy with something, not knowing something better is out there, i don't assume that my current setup has achieved perfection either. perhaps something will come along that's even better. i'm currently playing with suzo inductives (with another kowal mod) and will probably try the U360s some day. i actually think it's possible to make "the ultimate" joystick; click here for details. kevin - here's a challenge for you: the modded actuators are available very inexpensively from kowal, and ponyboy can sell you 4" wico handles and happ supers (to steal springs from) also inexpensively. give the kowal mods a try, and see if your opinion of the P360 changes. i'm sure your readers would find it most interesting. or how about this: i have a pair of kowal-modded P360s and a pair of kowal-modded suzo inductives. if you'll buy me a pair of ball-top U360s with wiring harnesses and restrictor kits, i'll write you "the ultimate robotron joystick shootout" article ;D |
| kowal:
angle of inclination P360 - 12 degree crunching sound be generated on 10-11 degree. shfat which comes in in base! sfaft P360 has diameter -12,5mm but metal slave has diameter - 11mm the wider handle alters the angle of inclination. angle changes from 12 (wood panel slave) on 8-9 degrees (metal panel slave) on wider handle problem (crunching) is "masked" it he was generated on 10-11 degree - but still pivot is problem not shaft the sticks SilkStick have 12,7 mm of diameter. joystick on them less crunching. |
| CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: destructor on November 17, 2006, 02:29:36 am ---As kowal say, please read opinions on this forum in other topics or on other forums, where are really good players. I use these opinions for this 90%. --- End quote --- Do you mean forums where folks are saying stuff like this: --- Quote from: forum to remain unnamed by a poster who was obviously tired of being told what an incompetent he was by "professional gamers" ---Exactly. No one wants to argue about this stuff. And yes, there is room for personal preference here. Just because you bust out calipers and break it down to millimeters doesn't make you some kind of unbiased authority figure that everyone else should listen to. --- End quote --- Cheers |
| destructor:
I don't say too much about kowal's mod P360. But if RobotronNut begins I can say that RetroBlast review is true for moded P360. RetroJames, try moding your P360, it's very easy, after it your scores will be higher and higher and then you will can say that P360 diagonals are easy and RetroBlast review is right. And RobotronNut, U360 is incredible joystick, has some small faults (for me spring is wrong for shmup games only. I hear that for fighters 1vs1 something wrong is too, but I didn't test it) but is worth his price. You must try it! Really incredible. |
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