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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #80 on: November 29, 2006, 11:42:31 pm »
Groovy!

In other words, get an XML file from MAME 85 or beyond and you're in business. It makes sense because the XML file is a game list, and a newer version XML would encompass the games supported by older version of Mame.

Good job :)

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #81 on: November 30, 2006, 12:15:04 am »
Good job :)

When I first started working with MameWah I decided that I needed to make notes about what goes where and which ini file I needed to change and all that.   So I started making a personal 'installation log' of everything I did.  It was good because between the OS, mame, MameWah and specific drivers (USB etc) I hated having to re-invent the wheel.  And since setting each of these things up was a once-a-year kind of thing, there was no way that I could remember what worked the first time.

Even as I copied/pasted that info about how I got .55 working, I was reading it and thinking "What the heck was I talking about?", but usually my shorthand notes make sense enough to me when I start from scratch and it saves me hours of Googling info on setting up everything.

Glad I could add something to this thread, even it it's minor.  I think what you've got going on here is great!  :cheers:
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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #82 on: November 30, 2006, 08:39:49 am »
Cool, I have a heap of notes too - I can't be expected to remember things!
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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #83 on: January 13, 2007, 03:36:26 pm »
"Windows TinyXP Professional SP2 Beast Edition Unattended CD" +pirate bay

(it also comes with FireFox installed, joy)

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I downloded this TinyXp and created the CD for it. I grab myself one of my 20GB HD and try to install it FRESH. I have been thinking into going into XP w/MAME so, I wanted to give this a try.

Well this TINY does not even install.
This is whats done:
1. Created a partition on my 20GB
2. Formated it to NTFS
3. Then it copied wahtever it copies into the HD
4. SYSTEM REBOOTS

This is when this comes up after the Windows LOGO shows up:

" ERROR:
Installation failed: D:\I386\ASMS: Error mesages: Incorrect function


Fatal Erro:
One of the component that windows needs to continue setup could not be installed


Incorrect function: "


I tried 3 times with same error:

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #84 on: January 13, 2007, 04:01:33 pm »
I'm gonna try the older FINAL version

Windows TinyXP (FINAL)[112Mb ISO](eXPerience)[18.11.05]


Anyone use this version ?

Also, I saw a TinyXP Vista Version. Anyone use this?
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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #85 on: January 13, 2007, 04:23:55 pm »
I have used TinyXP Beast sucessfully many times, it's great but lacks printer support - so "no go" for a home rig.

I have used "TinyXP rev 02" a few times, it's great for a home rig.

There is a trick with the naming, "final" is not the last one released. It goes in this order:

TinyXP final
TinyXP rev 01
TinyXP rev 02
TinyXP rev 03
TinyXP rev 04
TinyXP rev 05

I like Win2K and "TinyXP rev 02", both with "bashrat driver packs*" for home rigs. The driver packs installs almost all drivers, in most cases all. So after you install the OS you are done (no driver hunting) it's sweet.

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #86 on: January 13, 2007, 05:29:11 pm »
Just finish Dling the FINAL and also the rev 5.

Which one should I burn ? I don't want to make 2 bootable cd's.

Should I stick with rev5 ?

I just want to run MAME with fast boot to FE.  Also want to use in a JUKEBOX too (next project).
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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #87 on: January 13, 2007, 06:13:15 pm »
I like "98se optimized" or "TinyXP Beast" for cabs and "98se optimized", Win2K or "TinyXP rev 02" for home rigs

You could fire the ISOs up in "Microsoft Virtual PC*"

I've tested about 25 different OS that way, it's much quicker than burning to CD then installing on a PII.


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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #88 on: January 14, 2007, 07:46:52 pm »

I downloded this TinyXp and created the CD for it. I grab myself one of my 20GB HD and try to install it FRESH. I have been thinking into going into XP w/MAME so, I wanted to give this a try.

Well this TINY does not even install.
This is whats done:
1. Created a partition on my 20GB
2. Formated it to NTFS
3. Then it copied wahtever it copies into the HD
4. SYSTEM REBOOTS

This is when this comes up after the Windows LOGO shows up:

" ERROR:
Installation failed: D:\I386\ASMS: Error mesages: Incorrect function


Fatal Erro:
One of the component that windows needs to continue setup could not be installed


Incorrect function: "


I tried 3 times with same error:

This is the TINYXP Beat Edition 666 Pirate Bay.



Ok I finally got the answer to this mystery. After I dloaded the other versions and tried, I still had the same problem.
The answer to it was:

IT WAS LOOKING FOR THE ORIGINAL XP and the i386\asms  is not on the the TINYXP cd. YOu have to use the original for the installation to continue.

*** EDIT ***  There is a folder I386\asms on the ISO/Burned CD.
/eof (EDIT)

I did not see any info about this anywhere, hence no one here knew about it. They probably had the original on the second cd drive during install.



Now, how do we get this to boot on 10sec ? I'm getting 20sec with 14/15 processes.

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #89 on: January 14, 2007, 08:27:05 pm »
I don't know what you're doing wrong, but it's all wrong. I have installed it repeatedly and only used one disk.

Send me an e-mail and we can compare disks.

Cheers,
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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #90 on: January 14, 2007, 08:44:52 pm »
E-mail sent:

Here is the CRC on the ISO File

BEAST 666 ISO ( 145860 Size ) CRC   f7a42fe4
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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #91 on: January 14, 2007, 09:09:20 pm »
Mine reads:

; SlavaSoft Optimizing Checksum Utility - fsum 2.51 <www.slavasoft.com>
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; Generated on 01/14/07 at 21:06:28
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7ae08a8a65c958c89623da8fbdebb63ffb171938 ?SHA1*TinyXP_Beast_Edition.iso

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #92 on: January 14, 2007, 09:21:40 pm »
MIne

This is with  -sha512 parameter

; SlavaSoft Optimizing Checksum Utility - fsum 2.51 <www.slavasoft.com>
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; Generated on 01/14/07 at 21:20:46
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beaaba0261194c0b2e4babb76baf0c3754304e90b3e46afc32c66935ceb18ec25141334df6a306f431a79f484ca3be82d1dff23dba48e7f79da6f19



This is just fsum FILENAME

; SlavaSoft Optimizing Checksum Utility - fsum 2.51 <www.slavasoft.com>
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; Generated on 01/14/07 at 21:25:29
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8f76cdb6f6aa75f262fadc79b5ed5f7c *TinyXP_Beast_Edition.iso



This is with -sha1 parameter


; SlavaSoft Optimizing Checksum Utility - fsum 2.51 <www.slavasoft.com>
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; Generated on 01/14/07 at 21:36:30
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7ae08a8a65c958c89623da8fbdebb63ffb171938 ?SHA1*TinyXP_Beast_Edition.iso




YOu think Burning w/NERO ultra was the culprit ?
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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #93 on: January 15, 2007, 12:30:33 am »
Ok, it looks like NERO was the culprit. I got Alcohol and I started drinking and BURN into a CD and everything works.
So if anyone want to burn TINXP BEAST EDITION, I suggest you use Alcohol 120%.
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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2007, 12:33:46 am »
Got a question:

I installed this on my 20GB partition it to be only 10GB and TinyXP after install used 1.9GB of space.

I also installed it a laptop w/5GB HD and it tooks only 650MB of space.


Any tips on Optimizing it to bbot faster ? I have done what I read here on the first first I believe and had eveything set to manual except 1.
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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #95 on: March 05, 2007, 02:54:50 pm »
I installed TinyXP this weekend and it worked great. I was having lots of trouble getting my emachine recovery disc to work on my new hard drive. The install was quick and after downloading the motherboard drivers it has never been faster. I did have to get a copy of WMP.dll installed so I could rip cds for SK Jukebox. But that should be expected as windows media player was not installedwith TinyXP.

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #96 on: March 05, 2007, 03:18:47 pm »
What version of TinyXP did you use and on what system specs??
Does it load up quickly?

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #97 on: March 06, 2007, 09:28:26 am »
Question regarding keyboards in TinyXP Beast.   Seems like it was done with a British English keyboard. 

Fixed:    Seems like you go to Regional Settings pick Languages and then Details.   I deleted the British English KB and it defaulted to the US English KB on reboot.   You can toggle but with the keys shown but would rather have only a single KB type.
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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #98 on: March 07, 2007, 07:35:48 am »
That got me for a while also. Some of my keys are still screwed up tho. The backslash is a #, the number sign is a £, and the 'at' sign and the double quotation marks are switched around.  Weird.    :dunno

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #99 on: March 07, 2007, 08:20:44 am »
TinyXP is from United Kingdom, so if you are in USA do this:

1. Open "Control Panel"
2. Open "Regional & Language Options"
3. Select the "Languages" Tab
4. Click "Details"
5. Click "ADD" button within "Installed Services"

6. Choose: 'Language - ENGLISH (UNITED STATES)' & 'Keyboard Layout: UNITED STATES - Dvorak'

7. Remove the "English (UK)" item (or any others you dont want)
8. Reboot
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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #100 on: May 03, 2007, 04:54:51 am »
I loaded Tiny XP Beast Edition on one of my PC's, it seems to work great. One problem I found was when I tried playing House of The Dead (HOTD 1 not 2 or 3). when I start the game all I get is a black screen and nothing happens... If I hit the spacebar it returns to the desktop. Not sure why House of the Dead won't run??? Maybe something it needs to run is removed from this version of XP??? Anyone have any ideas?    :dunno    Thanks.

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #101 on: May 03, 2007, 09:48:24 am »
It truly is a stripped version of XP, if the exact same software combination works on any other operating system then Tiny must be missing something critical to it.

The only way to test it is with 2 different operating systems, if the error comes up on 98se (for example) it's the software, if it doesn't it's the OS.

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #102 on: May 03, 2007, 10:16:48 am »
Thanks for the reply. I do believe it is the stripped down version missing something... using the same PC with full version of XP seems to run the game (HOTD) just fine. Was hoping someone might know what to reinstall to TinyXP to get this working. I guess I'll try making a stripped down version of XP using NLite and see what I come up with...

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #103 on: June 26, 2007, 02:50:28 am »
On my first cab, I got the XP boot time from a minute & 15 seconds down to 35 seconds.  Somewhere in this forum was a link to a site (sorry, don't remember where) that gave a bunch of tips on speeding up the XP boot.  No special code to load, just a bunch of settings to turn off and/or tweek.  No driver problems at all.  Search here for boot, speed, system.ini, etc.  You may also find it faster searching Google.  Good luck.

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If your hardware supports hibernation (the sort of completely powered-off version of system standby)  You may be able to power it off and on a few seconds faster than completely rebooting every time.  You should only have to reboot when you are making changes to the system.  The time it takes to resume from hibernation depends on the amount of data you have in RAM, because without tweaks, most all of the RAM is written to the hard disk  before you power down... and reloaded from the hard disk to the ram when you power up. 
 BTW,  most ACPI 1.1 compliant computers can be configured in windows to hibernate when you press the power button instead of turning off.

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #105 on: July 07, 2007, 10:58:47 pm »
I just tried using Nlite to remove some of the excess for my MAME computer (during initial install), but I get an error when trying to install the VIA hyperionpro 5.10A drivers on the Win XP Pro system (after nlite's package is all installed).  It comes up with an error dialog box that says "Sorry, some importand files of this package are missed.  Please download the package again to contact with the service provider.  Please press OK to terminate the setup wizard."  (the spelling/grammer errors are theirs, not my typing).  Then once you click OK, another dialog box comes up that is titled "Feature transfer error" and reads "Error: -1603 Fatal error during installation.  Consult Windows Installer Help (Msi.chm) or MSDN for more information."

I went through and disabled things in the nlite options (almost the same as the options listed by drewkaree, but perhaps some different here and there...)  I have an above average knowledge of windows administration and I was fairly aggressive with the services disabling, but I checked each one against Black Vipers description and started/disabled each accordingly.  I have since tried restarting several ones and re-running the via hyperion setup program, but it still comes up with that error.  Anyone know what I need to turn on/reinstall to get this to work?

I got my ArcadeVGA drivers installed fine before I tried installing these via drivers (probably should have installed the via drivers first...)

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #106 on: July 07, 2007, 11:13:53 pm »
As a footnote, I started the windows installer service and still got this error.  I also downloaded the most recent version of the hyperionpro drivers and still got the error.

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #107 on: July 08, 2007, 07:36:37 am »
You would be better served posting this in nLite's forums.  The limited number of people doing this here as well as the possibility/probability of someone not having the same hardware or experience is most likely going to result in a less-than-satisfactory answer to a very specific problem.


If I had to give a non-educated guess, you removed something (or compressed cab files) that your driver you're having issues with require unfettered access to.  There's also an issue that I can't remember what caused it, and it has to do with removing/not installing some component of Windows that "breaks" .msi types of installers.  Again, this is a non-educated guess.

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #108 on: July 08, 2007, 01:06:42 pm »
Yeah, their forums would be the best bet (didn't think of that... or even realize they had forums).  I thought that maybe someone here might have had the same experience, as these are chipset drivers that all VIA chipset boards should have installed.  But, like you said, maybe I am overestimating the number of people here trying this...

FWIW and hopefully others benefit, this has been with XP Pro and SP1 all along.  No network stuff at all.  I have since created another nlited install with more things activated, more services running, and with anything that seemed like it might be the cause, but it still gave the error.  I then tried a non-nlited (normal) XP gold (AKA SP0).   It didn't cause that error.  I am now in the process of trying a slipstreamed XP with SP1 with nothing else at all modified.  We'll see....

If I get this figured out, I'll post the solution here.

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #109 on: July 08, 2007, 01:15:25 pm »
Is there any benefit to adding any updates or service packs to XP?

I would blindly assume that all those service packs and updates are to help their crappy web browser and other things we MAMErs don't use on our cabs.

Have you tried the different versions of TinyXP? They may suit you with much less work.

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #110 on: July 08, 2007, 02:55:57 pm »
The main benefit of SP1 is support for HD's larger than 137 GB.  Also, my mobo sound drivers require SP1.  But no SPs should be fine for most cab setups if your HD is small enough.

SP1 doesn't seem to add much to the boot time, but SP2 does.  Avoid SP2 if you want a quick (as possible) boot time.

WIP - slipstreamed SP1 with nothing deleted works fine.  Trying another progressively less aggressive nlited install now...

I haven't tried tinyxp.  I briefly looked into it, and it appeared that it was possibly legally sketchy or found at sketchy places.  Plus, I wanted a bit more control over the process, so I tried nlite first (and here I am).  At this point, I want to know why/what the cause of this is.  Can't... let... it... beat... me...

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #111 on: July 08, 2007, 04:32:10 pm »

FWIW and hopefully others benefit, this has been with XP Pro and SP1 all along.


Look around on their forums for the .msi installer issue.  That's what's ringing in my mind.  I can't recall if it was a service or checkbox in the slipstreaming process that was at issue, or if it was "fixed" by slipstreaming SP2.

If you need it, I've got SP2 somewhere (but I dunno if it's too dang big to e-mail ya).

Is there any benefit to adding any updates or service packs to XP?

I would blindly assume that all those service packs and updates are to help their crappy web browser and other things we MAMErs don't use on our cabs.


Security fixes.  Not all their security flaws are related to the browser (just the vast majority).  If someone isn't hooking their cab up to a network (or the 'net), then it isn't as big a deal, but they also include fixes for installation issues once in a while too.  IIRC, if you find Ryan's update packs site, it lays out what each hotfix and service patch addresses.

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nLite also gives you the flexibility to slipstream ONLY the hotfixes and patches you wish, so you don't have to add in crap you don't want/need

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« Reply #112 on: July 08, 2007, 07:50:17 pm »
I got it to work finally.  I did notice the fix for the MSI installer registry permission thing.  I was using nlite v1.3 beta and this msi issue was corrected in 1.3 RC2.  This had me wondering so I downloaded the latest non-beta version (1.3.5) and used that.  So perhaps this was the issue all along...

BUT I also went with a bit less aggressive deletion.  Added in a few more of the red things that I wasn't 100% sure wouldn't be used.  And a few other tweaks.  So I can't narrow down the problem between nlite version and my component removals...

I am going to go back and try re-removing some of those things I added back and see what happens...

I have SP2, but I don't want to use it.  I am not connecting to any network whatsoever, so security issues are not of a concern.  Also, I've observed win installs before that after installing SP2, the boot time increases ~10sec.  (before you brought nlite to my attention (thanks BTW) I would install gold, then one of the first things install the SP2.)  Using SP2 seems counterproductive in this case as it adds a lot of unnecessary bloat and boot time.   Thanks for the offer, though.

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #113 on: July 08, 2007, 08:02:21 pm »
I've never heard anything good about SP2

It's probably got allot that causes XP to crash and bloat - that keeps everyone rich you know. It also rolls out the red carpet for Vista.

I use "2K SP4" on my PC and optimized 98se on my cabs (also DOS*)

But I could possibly be persuaded to use TinyXP...

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #114 on: July 10, 2007, 08:36:09 pm »
I went back and tried my older 'non-working' version with the newer version of nlite, and it was still a no-go.  I think that perhaps my issue had something to do with user permissions.  There was something about this on the web regarding the error code I got.  Also, FWIW- I got this error just as 'scanning your hardware' dialog poped up.  I can't say exactly what it was, as I made several changes...

I got it all installed, chipset drivers, sound card drivers, video drivers.  Made a few tweaks, defrag and I'm done.  It's weird, I feel like I should have so much more to do to get this done.  I'm not even going to bother to image it - this way isn't much more work.  (and I've never had to use an image yet)  I'm used to installing windows and tweaking everything out, gpedit.msc, updating, ghost, etc.  Most of my tweaks were made ahead of time...  nLite from now on!

Now on to FE's and such....

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #115 on: July 10, 2007, 08:57:38 pm »
I have a 2.0ghz P4, 256mb Ram and and a 20gb HDD and have just installed Tiny XP "Beast Edition". I am very happy with the performance of the PC and now with Mala installed and a complete set of Mame v.106 I am ready to go. I have also used bootskin and TweakUI for a few things and the PC boots up to Mala in 30 seconds.....thats not too bad I guess. Any ideas on squeezing it a bit more??

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #116 on: July 11, 2007, 11:05:27 am »
...Any ideas on squeezing it a bit more??

The easiest way is to do what I do : turn the cab (or PC) on then walk away and fix a coffee, when you return it will be ready.

People are always asking about boot times, I get the idea that many people watch the cab (or PC) boot with their breath held. That's a bad idea!

But it got me thinking, so I started Googling "embedded OS" and found this:

http://tinyurl.com/yrfqnu

"MinLogon" is the answer

"WinLogon" is what takes so long to boot

I wonder if someone could use Nlite to replace Winlogon with Minlogon or perhaps hack "XPe" (XP embedded)

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« Reply #117 on: July 11, 2007, 01:01:06 pm »
...Any ideas on squeezing it a bit more??

The easiest way is to do what I do : turn the cab (or PC) on then walk away and fix a coffee, when you return it will be ready.
You are right Craig, 30 seconds is pretty good and I am pretty happy with that.....but all this talk of stripping stuff out to make things faster just gets me carried away! My arcade cab with an Exerion PCB in it probably takes longer to boot up!

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #118 on: July 12, 2007, 01:04:28 am »
...Any ideas on squeezing it a bit more??

The easiest way is to do what I do : turn the cab (or PC) on then walk away and fix a coffee, when you return it will be ready.

People are always asking about boot times, I get the idea that many people watch the cab (or PC) boot with their breath held. That's a bad idea!

But it got me thinking, so I started Googling "embedded OS" and found this:

http://tinyurl.com/yrfqnu

"MinLogon" is the answer

"WinLogon" is what takes so long to boot

I wonder if someone could use Nlite to replace Winlogon with Minlogon or perhaps hack "XPe" (XP embedded)

Cheers,
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Craig, take a gander at this to see if there's something you can use:

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Re: nLited XP installs for a cab
« Reply #119 on: July 12, 2007, 08:34:35 am »
DrewKaree,

That's exactly what I was talking about... creepy!

I will make .bat and .reg files to automate that and put them up here as a downloadable zip.

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By the way - someone should make an XPe that only has the components needed by mame32, mame, and a few front ends like Mala ect. Here are a bunch of video tutorials for the technically gifted:

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/embedded/aa731297.aspx

 
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