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Xiaou2:

--- Quote from: lordtodd75 on December 19, 2006, 10:12:42 am ---@ xiaou2

You sir are a moron. You don't full contact spar on the first day of a kickboxing class, at least not in any I took. You do however get to hold pads and are being conditioned from day one to take a blow. I have run across your kind before. PAMA, which is where I started my training, offered training in other less taught arts, such as JKD, silat and yes wing chun. A lot of people take there "arts" very seriously. Human ego almost forces you to believe your style is superior, if it wasn't then in a sense you have been wasting all these years of training, and noone wants to believe that. I bet when you lose a fight you have a lot of "reasons" why, you probably say "you should have won" and then point out the flaws of your opponent and his/her style. The fact of the matter is, if wing chun were superior. It would be more prevalent in the professional fight world. I have been watching pancrase, ufc, pride, etc. for years. haven't seen much wing chun.

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 According to the author of the thread:

From there you kick each other in the thighs then the ribs. 
Then you go into full sparring.  All this on the first day

 So, whos the moron?!    This is why I was warning him.   Try reading the thread before
you reply, and retort to insults, idiot.


 As for the rest...

 When I DID decide on an art to take,  I spent much time researching it.  Going to demos
and more.   WC far exceeded what I had seen and discovered from others.  But even
moreso after it was learned.

 When I did start to learn it, I did do poorly in sparring matches.   WC failed me
plenty, before I realized that it was Not WC that was failing.. but Me failing it.
I was doing various things incorrecty.  Once I made those realizations,
results were dramatic.  I was barely touched... because of the effectiveness of
the system. 

 Trust me, when you fight people twice your size an lose... its not so fun.   However,
when you go against those same and bigger people.. and cant be touched...
and even retort to fighting with a single hand for more challenge..   then you
know what you have gotten from the system.

 I personally am All about working results.  I tested everything I learned in
heavy contact sparring.  If WC didnt work, and IF it wasnt me... then I would
have long since moved on to another art that worked.   As Im a thin
guy with a woman-like build, and cant afford to lose.   My strength will
always be limited due to my build type..  and an art based on power alone
(or power being a greater advantage) would always fail for me.
   
 WC is still a relatively less heard of, and not always widespread taught art.
WC takes time to adapt to.  Its compexities take a several years in the system
to attain great results.  And, because its a combat art, most things that
make WC usefull in the streets...  make it illegal to use in the ring.

 BTW , Bruce Lee started in the Art of WC.  In fact, he based his entire core
foundation on it.  Yes, he learned many other arts.. but he used a slightly
modified version of WC to gain safe effective entry in order to use those
other arts more effectively.

 Sadly, Bruce never got to a high level in WC..  thus his representation
of it was lacking for sure.   It would have been very interesting to
see exactly how he would have turned out had he gotten deeper into it.

 One thing about Lee that is important... is that while he was one of the
first MMA guy..   he at least perfected the tools that he learned.   For
example..  his sidekick as seen in various places.. esp in Enter the Dragon,
was flawless.   Not many people had that much power generation into
thier kicks...  nor the grace, speed, ballance, and timing.   

 Many of todays MMA fighters look like drunken sailors.  Sure, they may
know many arts..  but really..  how well?   Mostly not very.   Low belt
Levels of embarresment..   and truely doenst come close to really
representing the arts from which they try to borrow from.

 

ChadTower:



Clearly they are effective enough to make millions of people pay to watch them.

How is that embarrassing?

Xiaou2:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on December 19, 2006, 07:55:59 am ---
Well, on the other hand, if tourneys and sporting rings mean nothing, what is the guy supposed to do to test himself?  Go out and start fights in the street?  Go see Johnson Family Picnic and start yelling racial slurs in the theater?    You're talking about riots and getting beaten by multiple guys with sticks and knives but how many times has that happened to you?

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 I merely meant that winning a trophy prooves very little..  because sports related combat doesnt
portray real combat accuratly, mostly due to heavy restrictions.

 Sparring is a great way to test the arts.  As are 2 man drills using full force and full speed.

 
 As for the weapon stuff,  I agree, that may be a rarity.  I was merely pointing that out,
to compare a more fully developed art to one that was not.    (I personally have not
done much with weaons other than to develop the skills to weild them.
nunchaukas, 9 secion whip chain, and basic  Rope Dart)

 Also, in all the years that Ive been capable of deadly retailiation...  Ive never once
had to use it.    Yes, there were instances where it was damn near close..  but
I managed to talk them out of it.   So, in fact, knowing the "hand to hand
arts" could be considered a useless waste of time.   Still, we artist know
that one day, it may come in handy.   Simularly, we keep candles in the
house in case the power goes out. (which is less rare occurance for many
of us   heh)

 

Xiaou2:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on December 19, 2006, 01:18:33 pm ---


Clearly they are effective enough to make millions of people pay to watch them.

How is that embarrassing?

--- End quote ---

 
 If doing the perfect kick, was like an  F1 race car...
And the kicks that lack power, speed and ballance.. are like a Geo Metro..

(Geo Metro = a car that struggles to make 60mph,  and at the speed
sounds like it about to blow up!)

 Then imagine the Monte Carlo  Race,   with all the Top racers,
in a Geo Metro's.


 That is an embarresment to me.

 Ive watched a few of these so called 'artist'?!  fights..  and every time, it sickens
me.  Ive stopped viewing them because of this.

 At least when I watch Boxing.. I can see artists that have decent levels
of perfection, of thier craft.

 However,  if you enjoy watching people roll arround on the floor, then
hey, more power to ya..   yawn.

ChadTower:

Your goals differ from theirs.  They are not there to become masters of any given art.

They are there to make money and at that they succeed.


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