Super Punch-Out!! - New World Record

[MaximRecoil]

My record on SPO (1,118,050 points) was verified yesterday by Twin Galaxies:

Link to Twin Galaxies Forum announcement thread

Link to Twin Galaxies SPO records page

[GGKoul]

You must have been bored that day... congrads

[hnugz]

nice man, grats 

[RayB]

Cool. I should start training for a Juno First record... :-D

[MaximRecoil]

Cool. I should start training for a Juno First record... :-D

Marathon settings or tournament settings?

I don't know anything about Juno First, such as the rate of scoring, but with a record of 78,888,980 points set in 1984, it looks like it would be a long haul indeed.

On the other hand, under tournament settings, there are no entries yet, so you could set an inaugural record.

That's what prevents me from trying for a regular Punch-Out record, the sheer amount of time it would take just to tie the current record score of 16 million (at least 16 hours) with very little opportunity for breaks in that game.

[RayB]

I spoke without even looking into it. It took somewhere around 20 to 30 minutes to score just over 1 million. So 78,888,980 / 2 million = over 39 hours!! 
OK FORGET IT!
 

[MaximRecoil]

I spoke without even looking into it. It took somewhere around 20 to 30 minutes to score just over 1 million. So 78,888,980 / 2 million = over 39 hours!! 
OK FORGET IT!
 

Yeah, that is definitely a "marathon". Does the game allow you to accumulate a lot of lives? If so there may be substantial opportunities for breaks in there, like with Asteroids or Defender.

Of course, "tournament settings" is always an option, which are usually more difficult settings/player restrictions that make it next to impossible to "marathon" the game. Scores are always a lot lower for those settings. For example, the record for Defender at "marathon settings" is 79,976,975 set in '84, while the record at "tournament settings" is only 230,125 set in '04.

In the case of Juno First there is no entry yet for it under "tournament settings" - http://www.twingalaxies.com/index.aspx?c=22&pi=2&gi=3760&vi=15675 - so you could be the first score:

No Scores have been entered for this variation at this time. You could be the first person to set a record on this game!

 Juno First   
Variation: Points [Tournament Settings] 
Platform: Arcade
Rules: Dip Switch Bank #1:
1-8 = OFF
Dip Switch Bank #2:
1-2 = OFF
3 = OFF/ON [Cocktail/Upright]
4-8 = ON

Note: The above Dip Switches are the correct Twin Galaxies Tournament Settings for this title and will provide the following settings;

Number of Ships: 3
Difficulty Level: 8 [Difficult]

[ChadTower]

Nice.  I have to decide what record I want to set by the end of the year.... haven't set one in 2006 like I said I would.

Clockwork Knight

[MaximRecoil]

Nice.  I have to decide what record I want to set by the end of the year.... haven't set one in 2006 like I said I would.

Clockwork Knight

Cool. How long does it take for a score like that? I've never played that game.

What other titles do you have in mind for setting a record on?

I don't have any plans for any other records; maybe a higher score on SPO at some point...

[ChadTower]

That score is far from the maximum you could get as I didn't have much of a bar there to beat but you have to play through the whole game in one sitting to get as high as I did.  So, probably 1-2 hours, depending on how good you are at the game and if you can beat it in one run.

Most other games I'd go for would also probably be for the Saturn.  I'd love to go VB but then how the hell do you record that?

[MaximRecoil]

I'd love to go VB but then how the hell do you record that?

VB = Virtual Boy? That hurts my eyes just thinking about it. I have no idea how you'd record something like that. Of the few records for that platform on TG, most of them say "affiliate" for the verification method, whatever that means.

[ChadTower]

It means someone was physically in the presence of a judge who then looked at the score themself.

[RayB]

What's the diff between marathon and tournament? Their own scoreboard FAQ doesn't say.

[MaximRecoil]

It means someone was physically in the presence of a judge who then looked at the score themself.

Wouldn't that just be "referee" for verification method? For example, look at this one. One is "referee" for verification method and the other is "affiliate". I'd never seen "affiliate" as a verification before looking up those VB scores, only referee and tape.

[MaximRecoil]

What's the diff between marathon and tournament? Their own scoreboard FAQ doesn't say.

"Twin Galaxies Tournament Settings" AKA "TGTS" is a variant of play that uses rules for more difficult dip switch settings and/or self-imposed player restrictions to prevent the game from being "marathoned". This isn't really very black and white and varies from game to game. It most generally applies to the classic arcade titles where a lot of lives can be accumulated and it becomes that the difference between the top scores on these titles has little to do with a difference in skill, but rather a difference in physical endurance.

So they divided the record attempts into two categories for these types of games, "marathon" and "TGTS". There is an old stickied thread about defining "marathon" games here.

There are a lot more relevant threads on their forums but their search function isn't so great and I don't know where they are off the top of my head.

A good example of "marathon" vs. "TGTS" can be seen by looking at the rules for Galaga:

Under "marathon settings":

3 Lives
Extra Ship @ 30k, 70k and every 70k thereafter.
Difficulty: Rank D

Special Rules: Useage of the trick to cause enemies to stop firing is banned. It has been deemed permissible for a player to intentionally play on the player 2 side so as to allow the millions-digit to show up in the final score.

Under TGTS:

5 Lives
Extra Ships: None
Difficulty: Rank D

Special Rules: Attempts for this variation may be done on Marathon Settings, but once you've lost your 4th Life, you may not allow your ship to be captured or your Tournament Score attempt ends immediately. Useage of the trick to cause enemies to stop firing is banned. It has been deemed permissible for a player to intentionally play on the player 2 side so as to allow the millions-digit to show up in the final score.

So in the case of Galaga, under TGTS, you may not allow your ship to be captured after you have lost your 4th life, nor do you get any extra lives, which really puts a damper on things:

Galaga record [marathon] = 15,999,990
Galaga record [TGTS] = 1,557,580

[ChadTower]

Not sure of the difference between affiliate and referee.