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Dav:
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Read this thread for the real story and some good news.

Dave

Howard_Casto:
How does this differ from what I already said?

This isn't some kind of consipracy here, those romsets were deemed to be hacks... hacks that never made it into the arcades.  That wasn't the popular method of doing it anyway and for good reason... why would an operator pay 50 bucks to get his chips replaced for rapid fire when he could buy a simple 50 cent 555 timer chip, wire it to the 5v and have auto-fire?  On top of that, you could have it installed as an option at the factory. 

The only difference is this dwindle guy doesn't know what he's talking about and assumes that the eprom hack was more commonly used.  It isn't for the reasons I mentioned above. 
Dav:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 05, 2006, 10:29:12 pm ---How does this differ from what I already said?

This isn't some kind of consipracy here, those romsets were deemed to be hacks... hacks that never made it into the arcades.  That wasn't the popular method of doing it anyway and for good reason... why would an operator pay 50 bucks to get his chips replaced for rapid fire when he could buy a simple 50 cent 555 timer chip, wire it to the 5v and have auto-fire?  On top of that, you could have it installed as an option at the factory. 

The only difference is this dwindle guy doesn't know what he's talking about and assumes that the eprom hack was more commonly used.  It isn't for the reasons I mentioned above. 

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Why would you assume it never made it into the arcade?  Two bit score and others sold the galaga speed up chip to arcades for as long as I can remember.  A quick google search shows at least 3 vendors selling the chip now.  I guess they're just selling them to MAMErs to dump and play in MAME?

Your logic makes no sense whatsoever.  Compare it to mspacman.  You can get the hardware speedup for free by soldering a wire or buy or burn the eprom for the software speedup.  Guess what, I haven't seen the hardware hack in years, they ALL use the eprom. 

The difference in both cases is the software approach makes the game easier,  the hardware approach does not, which is why people liked the software speedups better.



Howard_Casto:
I didn't say that eprom based speedup hacks never made it into the arcade, I said that the hack used in mame never did. 

Eprom buring isn't free, it costs money. Pre-burned chips also can cost quite a bit.  The hardware hacks are very cheap while a burning service isn't.  Enough said. 


You haven't seen the hardware hack in years, because guess what?  Those games are 25 to 30 years old!  When people get ahold of a pacman pcb it usually needs repaired anyway, so they go ahead and get the hacked chips as their chips are corrupted.  (Why I don't know.  It seems stupid to me to go to all the trouble of getting an original arcade machine just to fudge it up with some stuipd cheating hack.)

We don't really care about stuff for homebrew guys that came out within the last 10 years or so.  Mame tries to emulate the roms (note I said roms, not eprom add-ons or speed-up kits)  that were found in the machine, in the arcades, when the machine was in the arcades.   When a real rom kit for galaga is found it'll be put it, but as of now there aren't any dumped. 
Dav:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on August 06, 2006, 08:12:39 pm ---I didn't say that eprom based speedup hacks never made it into the arcade, I said that the hack used in mame never did. 

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And you know this because?

Here's a post almost 10 years ago from someone finding it on an old board.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.video.arcade.collecting/browse_frm/thread/a04a08b6a6fbf058/
Are you suggesting the dump that was in mame is different from the one commonly found and sold in 1997?   The one commonly found and mailed around at that time mysteriously disappeared and a new one was made by hackers to take its place?  That would be strange since several people in that thread still post on RGVAC today.  In fact the guy that started that thread is a mame contributer.  I don't know how old the hack is but it almost certainly predates MAME, that fact that it's been in common use for at least 10 years is more than enough to qualify it for inclusion.





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Eprom buring isn't free, it costs money. Pre-burned chips also can cost quite a bit.  The hardware hacks are very cheap while a burning service isn't.  Enough said. 

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I don't think I've met an Op yet that didn't have facilities to erase and burn an eprom.  For free.  Enough said.


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You haven't seen the hardware hack in years, because guess what?  Those games are 25 to 30 years old!  When people get ahold of a pacman pcb it usually needs repaired anyway, so they go ahead and get the hacked chips as their chips are corrupted.  (Why I don't know.  It seems stupid to me to go to all the trouble of getting an original arcade machine just to fudge it up with some stuipd cheating hack.)

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The reason nobody does the hardware pac hack is because nobody likes it, the software hack is better.  And it's mostly operators changing it to fast, not collectors, because they make more money with the fast chip. 

The reason the software rapid fire was popular is because it makes the game easier.  The hardware hack does not. 


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We don't really care about stuff for homebrew guys that came out within the last 10 years or so.  Mame tries to emulate the roms (note I said roms, not eprom add-ons or speed-up kits)  that were found in the machine, in the arcades, when the machine was in the arcades.   When a real rom kit for galaga is found it'll be put it, but as of now there aren't any dumped. 

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You're obviously new to MAME.   Have you seen how many rom sets are marked hack or bootleg?  Including the ms pac and pacman speedup sets btw.

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