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u_rebelscum:

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--- Quote from: Minwah on July 03, 2006, 09:30:37 am ---Personally I hate LCD's....they ghost, the colours are not great, poor viewing angle
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Sounds like your experience with LCDs has been limited to what you can find at garage sales. You might rethink this after trying newer ones.

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While I agree LCDs have come a long way, IMO CRTs still have a higher quality image.  I have yet to see an LCD than can match a CRT in all five of the following: colors, blacks, grey-to-grey speed (aka refresh speed, aka ghosting), viewing angle, and contrast.  There are LCDs that can match 3 or come close to matching 4 of them, but at the sacrafice of the others. 

LCDs can easily beat CRTs in other areas: sharpness, brightness, size, weight, energy use, temperature, burn-in, and rotation.

I miss my CRT.  :'(



--- Quote from: patrickl on July 02, 2006, 04:10:01 am ---Did they start to measure CRT's properly already?
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Here in US, computer CRTs can still be quoted on the tube size but the viewable size is usually also quoted.  TVs and arcade monitor must use the viewable size.


--- Quote ---The 21" CRT I have actually has a smaller display area than my 19"LCD. The 21"is measured for the whole tube or something and with LCD it's really the viewable area.
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I had two 17" CRTs: the iiyama had a 16.1" viewable screen, the gateway had 14.9" viewable screen.  (Point: you can't say all CRTs are like yours.)


--- Quote ---So my 19" LCD in fact  displays a bigger picture than the original 19" CRT in a classic cab (or even than a 21" for that matter).
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Do not confuse PC monitors and arcade monitors.  A 19" arcade monitor was 19" viewable (plus or minus 0.1" or so).  So your 19" LCD is the same size as a 19" arcade monitor.

OTOH, your LCD is bigger than a 20" computer monitor.  Some 21" computer monitors are bigger than your 19" LCD, some 22" computer monitors are smaller.
leapinlew:

--- Quote from: Minwah on July 03, 2006, 09:30:37 am ---Personally I hate LCD's....they ghost, the colours are not great, poor viewing angle, one fixed resolution (well, for good quality image).  The only advantage is space/weight so they are fine for desktop non-gaming use (I just bought an LCD monitor/HDTV combo as I don't have room for both a CRT TV and monitor).

I can't think of a single reason to not use a CRT in an arcade cabinet, unless size/weight really is that big an issue.

Also one point which people sometimes miss is that running MAME at a high resolution (ie to match the LCD's native mode) can hamper performance considerably.  Perhaps not noticable on really fast machines but I suspect demanding games will still suffer.

I suppose if you are just wanting to play modern PC games then an LCD would be alright, but for MAME and suchlike LCD's are just not suitable IMHO.

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I agree....

Size: since we are talking about arcade cabinets here you should always have the room for a crt. Sure, you could make pac-man in a smaller form factor, but to me, it's just not the same.

Quality: I believe CRT's to have a superior quality for all the different resolutions that arcade games deliver. They have the brighter colors, and the darker blacks. LCD's don't run as hot as CRT's. Where LCD's shine is no-burn in, which leads me to my next point.

Cost: CRT's are nearly free right now. If you manage to get burn-in after a year - so what.


A LCD deserves a new style cabinet.

Arcades R Fun:
This issue has been addressed in an earlier thread.
It's all subjective opinion. But I have used Tube TV's, arcade monitors, PC monitors, and now LCD TV's. All the above listed video displays have good and bad point about them.

We now build all our upright games with 27" Viewsonic LCD Tv's and our customers love the picture quality! They play anything from the older classics to modern day games.

The downside of course is the typical DIY builder would have to shell out nearly $700 for the LCD. But with prices falling every year, LCD's will soon be as cheap as 27" arcade monitors. In fact 32" LCD tv's are now below $1,000 and that's going to be the next project for our 4 player games!

Jack
Arcades R Fun LLC
Havok:

--- Quote from: Arcades R Fun on July 05, 2006, 03:54:05 pm ---We now build all our upright games with 27" Viewsonic LCD Tv's and our customers love the picture quality! They play anything from the older classics to modern day games.

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If you don't mind me asking, what model do you use? Also, do you have a website?
severdhed:
i am using this monitor in my cabinet

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824004018

it isnt anything special, but the picture quality is very good and i couldnt be happier with it.
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