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Havok:

--- Quote from: KevSteele on July 05, 2006, 11:56:35 am ---There are microswitches with "roller" levers on the top, and one of those might work out nicely. I'd have to dig around the vendors and see what's available.

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That's a great idea - I think I have some of these lying around. Now I just need to determine if I really want the DOT feature, or just go with a TurboTwist...
crashwg:
So Kev... Did I win it yet?  ;)
apachecontrols:

Hi all,

In terms of microswitches...

The microswithes do make contact with the spindle top and botton on push and pull, so naturally that contact will continue if a player turns the knob at the same time when pushing or pulling. This is a rare case indeed, and does not inhibit game play, and in nearly all situations is not even noticeable.

With that said, our team tried a variety of concepts early on to determine the final implementation.

In the end, a series of decisions had to be made which kept in mind several key factors (1) Overall Quality (2) Gameplay/Responsiveness (3) Easy of Assembly/Manufacturing (4) Footprint Size and (4) Cost

Yes, we tried the roller switches. Turns out they are much more expensive than the regular ones, and made just as much noise if not more than the non-roller switch. Go figure. :)

Leaf switches were also considered, but they added higher cost, increased the overall footprint of the unit, and were much harder to obtain if people needed to swap parts out down the road. The Blackhawk uses standard size microswitches so it makes it much more flexible from a support perspective.

It is certainly feasible to add additional electronic components to the unit, and have a switch-less (proximity sensing) device in its place. This would eliminate any potential friction between components. While this was considered during the prototype phase of the Blackhawk, it was not chosen due to Cost and Assembly considerations.

In terms of the tooth count...

Original testing was done using a higher frequency count, and in the end 48 teeth was chosen due to the overall responsiveness on nearly all of the core games available for a spinner. Tempest, Discs of Tron and any other games all play exceptional with the Blackhawk. With that said, it isn't fair to compare this unit with a gear driven one from days gone past, they are two different animals. (Arkanoid for example). This game does work well with some slight adjustment on the sensitivity settings in software, but it won't compare with a gear spinner.

Listen to what customers who have already purchased their units will say as I am sure they will have feedback for the group to review.

This is a solid unit that is great fun to play...really it is!

  :)

  AC
Xiaou2:

 Yes,  I agree you can not Compare this to a geared spineer..   However,

"Tempest, Discs of Tron and any other games all play exceptional with the Blackhawk"

 Is only an opinion.

 When in fact, they would play even better with higher resolutions.

 All the said games listed have a considerably higher tooth count comparitively.
 
 
 I considered the fact that in DO.Tron that you may push up or down, then turn it..
but actully, I believe I have turned and pressed/pulled at the same time in that
game.

 I believe the steel wheel'd Roller Micros would be a better choice even If they are
louder.   Reaon being is that typical micros have soft plastic actuators which will
file down very quickly from the friction of a high speed spinning metal disc.

 Im sure people could mod this themselves..   Just pointing out that it would have
been a better choice even if it added to the costs.

 
Timoe:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 06, 2006, 07:04:57 am ---
 Yes,  I agree you can not Compare this to a geared spineer..   However,

"Tempest, Discs of Tron and any other games all play exceptional with the Blackhawk"

 Is only an opinion.

 When in fact, they would play even better with higher resolutions.

 All the said games listed have a considerably higher tooth count comparitively.
 
 
 I considered the fact that in DO.Tron that you may push up or down, then turn it..
but actully, I believe I have turned and pressed/pulled at the same time in that
game.

 I believe the steel wheel'd Roller Micros would be a better choice even If they are
louder.   Reaon being is that typical micros have soft plastic actuators which will
file down very quickly from the friction of a high speed spinning metal disc.

 Im sure people could mod this themselves..   Just pointing out that it would have
been a better choice even if it added to the costs.

 

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Xia0,

I am looking forward to your product offering, if you do not already offer a full line of elite arcade product.  I imagine from your posts that your products would be better than anyone else.
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