Author Topic: zizzle toy pinball machines (Read 35830 times)

rlemmon · « **on:** June 24, 2006, 06:41:31 am »

what do you guys think of the zizzle toy pinball machines posted on retroblast. They look like they could be cool

video link q.time http://www.zizzle.com/pinball/action.html

info link http://www.pinballnews.com/news/zizzle.html

RayB · « **Reply #1 on:** June 26, 2006, 03:12:13 pm »

Interesting.
There used to be "toy" pinball machines that size back in the 60 and 70's too. My dad had a couple, but never got them working.

97thruhiker · « **Reply #2 on:** July 04, 2006, 12:46:43 am »

Kevin has a pretty good write-up about them in this month's "GameRoom" magazine. Seems like the developer put alot of thought into these machines with the intentions of bringing pinball to a new generation. Real wood, flippers, ball lanes, etc. If I had an actual gameroom I would consider buying these. I would take the legs off and build a nice platform that I could lay these on next to each other at a more adult looking height.

Chris · « **Reply #3 on:** July 04, 2006, 01:25:46 am »

Quote from: 97thruhiker on July 04, 2006, 12:46:43 am

I would take the legs off and build a nice platform that I could lay these on next to each other at a more adult looking height.

Or just put real pinball legs on them.

97thruhiker · « **Reply #4 on:** July 04, 2006, 08:46:09 am »

That could work also, have to wait for the full gameroom before these decisions can even be realized. Two arcade vids is enough at this time.

Chris · « **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2006, 09:42:30 am »

They're supposed to be 3/4 the size of a real machine but they look a lot smaller than that in the pics...

Ninten-doh · « **Reply #6 on:** July 31, 2006, 10:43:27 am »

I'm pretty interested, but I'm not a fan of the two themes they have so far.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2006, 05:19:03 pm »

I have one from the early 90's called "Jungle Hunt". It isn't by the same manufacturer though. My table, unfortunately is so old at this point that it needs repiar. Also it isn't as sophisticated, only has a single light on the table and every bumper adds the same amount to the score, which is a spinning wheel on a stepper motor.

I'm thinking of saving the playfield and re-doing the whole thing. The graphics look very much like the characters in Predator, so I might be able to do something with that.

The price seems awful low for these new ones considering mine was around that price several years ago.

N8 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2006, 12:58:01 pm »

I have a really old one made in the late 70's early 80's called Flying aces. The only problem I have with mine is that both flippers are flipped when at once you press either button. They are great for someone who doesnt want to spend a boat load for a full size machine.

Ninten-doh · « **Reply #9 on:** October 29, 2006, 09:07:07 am »

Has anyone tried one of these yet? I saw that they sell them at Best Buy so I'm going to try to swing by sometime soon to kick the tires.

Chris · « **Reply #10 on:** October 29, 2006, 10:41:05 am »

I had one from the early 80's or so. It was a space theme; I can't remember the name. The art for the "plastics" was silkscreened right into the underside of the playfield plexi. It had pop bumpers and slings, and every time they kicked the TV in the living room would go staticy for a moment. Sound was provided by a couple of bells and it had reel scoing. I believe it was made by Sears but I can't find anything like it anywhere on the Net.

ChadTower · « **Reply #11 on:** October 29, 2006, 11:45:59 am »

These are completely different from the type you're talking about.

RayB · « **Reply #12 on:** October 29, 2006, 12:03:02 pm »

Hammacher Schlemmer is selling the Pirates one:

http://www.hammacher.com/publish/73427.asp?promo=QSearch

MYX · « **Reply #13 on:** October 30, 2006, 09:02:33 am »

Hate to be a nay sayer, but I think for folks who were fans of the real thing, this would get old real fast.

I would also think it would be a good idea to change the play field for different games. Asside from a couple of differences in in the lanes at the top and the graphics, they look like the same machine.

ChadTower · « **Reply #14 on:** October 30, 2006, 09:19:09 am »

Well, for $300, it's a pretty damn good little machine. Real solenoids, multilevel ramps, multiple play modes. Don't compare it to a machine that sold for $4000 at retail.

Ninten-doh · « **Reply #15 on:** October 30, 2006, 09:26:57 am »

Hey Chad, have you played one yet? My brother has wanted a pinball machine for ages but can't afford a real one. He's got two young daughters so I thought this might be a x-mas present idea if it's not a piece o' crap.

I still think he should forego the bills for a bit and get the World Cup Soccer pin he's always wanted.

ChadTower · « **Reply #16 on:** October 30, 2006, 09:31:31 am »

I have not played one myself but it has a buzz in the pin community. There are two schools of thought:

1) it's a piece of crap, get a real pin

2) It's a $300 toy and pretty damn good for $300

The #1 guys tend to be the ones who have forgotten what it's like to be a kid, are too serious, that type. The #2 guys are more like me. We have a row of real pins and a row of $20 toy pins. It's all pinball.

They also have a Marvel Super Heroes... but now their website says $400 and I know the preorder was $300.

So, maybe wait and see if you can find one at retail. I've heard a couple of chains may pick it up.

Ninten-doh · « **Reply #17 on:** October 30, 2006, 10:06:05 am »

Best Buy has the Pirates of the Caribbean one for $299 so I might tell my brother about that one. I'm sure he won't mind staring at Keira Knightley.

Malacus · « **Reply #18 on:** November 01, 2006, 11:57:36 am »

I just saw the 'pirates' at Costco - I thought it was 200$ at the store here in Cincy, OH but the site says otherwise, if youre around with a membership and looking for one, you might want to double check. They didnt have it on display so I didnt really pay alot of attention.

-mal-

yuppicide · « **Reply #19 on:** November 01, 2006, 11:06:11 pm »

I don't like either theme, but I think they look awesome. I for one would love to change the whole graphics into something else, but I'm not crafty enough.

What would have been cooler if they came in a generic case and for a small fee you could purchase a new playfield, pop it in and a few connections to hook it up. It would be like a video game system with interchangable cartridges, only does pins tho.

Someone should design what I just said, but incorporate a cheap LCD screen in the back, some sort of programming language/SDK, and encourage homebrew/DIY people to make their own.

Shoot.. I wouldn't mind buying one of these, making it more adult size, stripping it down, and paying someone $500 to turn it into a different theme of my choice. Although I'd pay even more if someone could change a real pin for me. I remember a company that did it, but I think they're out of business.

RayB · « **Reply #20 on:** November 02, 2006, 12:20:28 am »

How about this one:LINK

Chris · « **Reply #21 on:** November 02, 2006, 02:21:07 am »

Quote from: RayB on November 02, 2006, 12:20:28 am

How about this one:LINK

If I remember right, that's running a modified Visual Pinball, put out by the same guy behind UltraCade.

ChadTower · « **Reply #22 on:** November 02, 2006, 07:49:39 am »

Quote from: RayB on November 02, 2006, 12:20:28 am

How about this one:LINK

That one is about $6000.

Q*Bert_OP · « **Reply #23 on:** November 02, 2006, 06:38:54 pm »

hehehe...ultrapin...hehehe

yuppicide · « **Reply #24 on:** November 02, 2006, 09:46:34 pm »

I'd rather have a "real pinball" with real parts inside, but that Ultrapin is definately cool.

Someone made a different one than that. It didn't look nowhere near as nice.

If I could just download and add whatever pinball machine I wanted I'd be interested in it, but not if it only comes with a few and probably makes me buy more.

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #25 on:** November 03, 2006, 07:26:28 am »

Quote from: MYX on October 30, 2006, 09:02:33 am

I would also think it would be a good idea to change the play field for different games. Asside from a couple of differences in in the lanes at the top and the graphics, they look like the same machine.

IIRC, it was an intentional manufacturing decision for the first two titles.

Chers.

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #26 on:** November 03, 2006, 07:43:57 am »

For a digital pin, I think I would prefer something that wasn't trying so hard to look like a pin.

Something lke this:

http://www.tab.at/tab/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-31/27_read-7/fromportal-1/toportal-1/

Cheers

ChadTower · « **Reply #27 on:** November 03, 2006, 09:01:33 am »

Was that one ever produced?

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #28 on:** November 03, 2006, 09:08:27 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on November 03, 2006, 09:01:33 am

Was that one ever produced?

SML (a Calgary-based distributor) has it listed on their website .. no prices listed though.

http://www.smlentertainment.com/products/pinball.htm

Cheers.

ChadTower · « **Reply #29 on:** November 03, 2006, 09:11:44 am »

That's been up a long time. I've never seen any reports that it was ever seen past a couple of prototypes.

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #30 on:** November 03, 2006, 09:15:50 am »

OK, I've emailed them asking what the price is and if they know of any units on location here in Toronto. We'll see what they say.

Cheers.

ChadTower · « **Reply #31 on:** November 03, 2006, 09:17:17 am »

Cool. I'd love to actually see one of those things.

twitami · « **Reply #32 on:** November 03, 2006, 11:32:23 am »

I emailed a US dist. about the TAB machine about 2 months ago. It was available, and was $7000.00. I haven't played one, but I have played the Ultrapin a lot--a dealer about 10 mins from my house sells them. I even went to the open house they had last week and met a Global VR rep. I will admit, it was WAY better than I expected. The nudge and push electronics work really well, and after you are playing for a few minutes, you forget it is a video game (at least I did). Medival Madness and F14 are especially impressive. To be honest, if it drops to below 5k, I will probably buy one (Tax Refund For The Win!).

Chris · « **Reply #33 on:** November 11, 2006, 01:20:28 am »

I played the Pirates machine at Best Buy today. I was not impressed. Sound samples are extremely repetetive, flippers and solenoids are way too weak, and I was pretty bored with it after 5 minutes. I'm not comparing this to a "real" pinball, but to the "toy" pinballs that Sears (I think) used to sell when I was young. Those were much simpler games, but the action at least felt like pinball; on these, the action is about the same as the $75 toy pinballs that were out last year.

Ken Layton · « **Reply #34 on:** November 11, 2006, 10:54:43 am »

I have yet to see the inside of this machine up close. Anyone have any pix of the underside of the playfield? Are they using Stern assemblies or Williams assemblies? What brand and part number are the coils, especially on the flippers?

ChadTower · « **Reply #35 on:** November 11, 2006, 10:59:02 am »

I don't know for sure but I doubt it is either. They're both too big for the size of that playfield.

Chris · « **Reply #36 on:** November 11, 2006, 11:46:53 am »

Quote from: Ken Layton on November 11, 2006, 10:54:43 am

I have yet to see the inside of this machine up close. Anyone have any pix of the underside of the playfield? Are they using Stern assemblies or Williams assemblies? What brand and part number are the coils, especially on the flippers?

They're obviously not real pinball coils, just cheap toy solenoids.

ChadTower · « **Reply #37 on:** November 11, 2006, 01:21:16 pm »

Could you explain the difference, then? A solenoid is a solenoid. A pinball coil is a solenoid.

Chris · « **Reply #38 on:** November 11, 2006, 01:56:09 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on November 11, 2006, 01:21:16 pm

Could you explain the difference, then? A solenoid is a solenoid. A pinball coil is a solenoid.

The difference is in the amount of force the coil is able to generate. In addition, flipper coils are actually two coils: a more powerful (50 volt) coil for the initial kick, and a less-powerful (25 volt) coil to hold the flipper in place (to keep from burning out the larger coil); an end-of-stroke switch changes from one coil to the other.

I think it's likely that the solenoids driving the bumpers, slings and flippers are 12v or smaller:

odysseyroc · « **Reply #39 on:** November 11, 2006, 02:29:23 pm »

I played on at Sears. The flippers did feel really weak, the play was pretty slow and boring.


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