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| MKChamp:
I am a programmer myself...but speaking as an END USER of MAME I can speak with 100% certainty that the mouse code added to MAME was without a doubt an enhancement. I would gander to say 99% of the users of MAME do not have the number of 'mice' devices I use in my cabinet. I have 2 LCD guns, opti-pac(for 2 rotary sticks) and ps/2 mouse connected. That's 4 mice. Most users of MAME are the regular guys that have it installed on their PC and don't go off the deep end like some of us and build a dedicated cabinet and start adding all the mice devices your typically desktop computer does not posess. Before the code Derrick submitted, I struggled with advance MAME, analog+ and my own derivatives to get 2 act-lab guns to work in conjunction. It wasn't until Derrick finally got the drive and (most importantly) time to give us his submittion that I was able to finally get 2 guns working with the STANDARD build of MAME. I thank him for this. Howard, I find it funny that someone with 4587(at the time of my post) posts would not have the time to code what they believe is the right way to do something. It would appear you spend more time 'talking' than 'walking'...literally. I totally agree with Derrick. If YOU know a better way to implement something, do it. I guarantee if it is more accurate, better coded and more efficient it would be incorporated. Following Derrick's post and submittions, I bet he would even recommend it. It's like watching pro football. I even catch myself thinking, "man, if that were me I would have done this or done that". In reality, it's alot easier being the back seat driver telling him what to do than actually doing it. I think this is the case here. It's so easy saying how to do something rather than doing it yourself. If you can submit code that handles multiple mice better than the code that is NOW currently incorporated in the standard build of MAME, then please do so(it currently works flawlessly for me). Until then, PLEASE quit bashing the code that Derrick submitted FREE OF CHARGE for me and the rest of the guys that desperately waited to be able to play all the current games supported in MAME with 2 guns TRACKING! |
| Howard_Casto:
Derrick, first off I think you need to let it go. I didn't mention your mouse additions once and even apologized to you for wrongly accusing you of doing the pos gun fixes in my reply and yet you STILL managed to write two pages justifying them to me AGAIN. I let it go, you need to. This is why we got in an argument in the first place. Mk same goes for you.... I didn't mention derricks mouse changes now did I? So why exactly are you yelling at me again? Be sure to read and not get confused... Derrick was the one who brought em up, not me. responding to the whole "do it yourself" b.s. : Here's the thing you guys don't get..... I have submitted changes to mame in the past but at this point I have pretty much gave up on it. Why? Even though I thouroughally checked my submissions only around 50% of them ever get accepted. If they get accepted or not seems to depend upon who's in charge and the mood they are in at the time and less on if they are actually good submissions or not. For example these very same positional gun games we are talking about now. When they we first changed ages ago I went over to the mameworld and very kindly asked why they were changed and even offered to change them back myself. I got responses by many of the guys in charge (at the time) and although they were nice about it, their response was basically "this is the way we want it so buzz off." I'm sure the fact that at the time act-labs gave some of the major mame devs a free lightgun and made a generous donation to the dumping project had nothing to do with this decision. So I gave up on fixing that one only to find that some two years later they ARE willing to change it back only to find out it didn't get done right. Mind you, I agree with you guys, it's a minor thing, but considering I was willing to do the work myself it's a little disheartening. I've also had issues with changing input ports for accuracies sake. Usually the devs are very receptive to fixes, but every once in a while I try to fix someone's "favorite" driver and it doesn't get changed. Now strangely enough a few months will pass by and my changes will get added only someone else's name is on the credits because they submit virtually the same patch later on and the devs are in a good mood or something... I dunno. I'm just glad they get fixed either way, but if they aren't going to take my patches then there isn't much point in me doing them is there? I'm sure you guys won't believe me on this because apparently I'm the bad guy and that means that everybody with 2 cents worth of opinion has to jump on me personally whenever I have anything negative to say about some mame changes, but this kind of stuff does happen. I think Aaron, meaning to do good has changed this policy, unfortunately he's drifting too far to the left, removing/adding some rather strange things. His core changes have always made sense to me, and are greatly appreciated, it's some of the other things that leave me scratching my head. Long story short it isn't always as simple as doing it yourself and on many occasions I DO do it myself. The problem is even if I do it myself that doesn't mean it gets in mame, and I don't have the time or energy to do a custom build anymore. And yes I do have a rather large post count. That's because I've been here for over 7 YEARS thanklessly building up the other end of the hobby (support software) and helping guys just like you with your software questions on a regular basis. I do this both publically on the boards and privately via pm and email. Yeah guys I'm just sitting on my hands here picking my nose, I have plenty of time to totally re-write mame's input system every other official release and put back in all the -front end related tags Aaron took out and manage a custom build. The 8 software projects and 4 hardware projects I'm juggling right now don't take up any of my free time at all. (p.s. to those I've helped in the past "thanklessly" isn't meant literally... I do remember "thank yous" when I get them and they mean the world to me) |
| Cananas:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on May 18, 2006, 01:58:50 am ---Derrick, first off I think you need to let it go. I didn't mention your mouse additions once and even apologized to you for wrongly accusing you of doing the pos gun fixes in my reply --- End quote --- --- Quote ---Quote from: Howard_Casto on Yesterday at 03:54:21 AM "Fixed incorrect lightgun names. [Derrick Renaud]" --- End quote --- Oh, yes. You did not mention to Derrick... --- Quote ---And yes I do have a rather large post count. That's because I've been here for over 7 YEARS thanklessly building up the other end of the hobby (support software) and helping guys just like you with your software questions on a regular basis. I do this both publically on the boards and privately via pm and email. --- End quote --- Sure. Help like this (in this Topic): --- Quote ---I hate to pick on you, but it says right in the mame what's new "fixed the positional gun games to use adstick input ports" or something to that degree. It's only unexpected if you don't bother to read the whatsnew.txt, which you should always do. --- End quote --- --- Quote ---*sigh* I guess I'm the only one who actually reads the "what's new" for mame. --- End quote --- A great help, but it seems that you are the only one that can read the whatsnew.txt, understand nothing, and not happy with this, tell the people that they are wrong, they don't read the wahtsnew, etc.. Good help. :applaud: |
| Derrick Renaud:
:troll: Howard, the crap you have posted in this thread (and others) boggles my mind. How you took the change to the input definitions of T2 into some great conspiracy, and lack of programing/management ability on MAMEdev's part is truly bizarre. There was no way it could have been as simple as someone on the MAME team noticing that T2 did not use a lightgun and decided to change it. Which may have started an internal discussion, that you know nothing about. Of course this is such a major thing that a full release should have been held up for it. :laugh2: If you want to talk about bad program releases, you have to look no further then your home page. It seems you released a program that was not even tested to make sure it worked, and then had to release an updated version. So MAMEdev really should listen to your comments on MAME releases. That said I give up. I will do my best to ignore your misinformed, rambling troll posts. Good luck in your programming efforts. If you have managed to help someone in your 4500+ posts, that's great. ------------- These discusions remind me of a recent discussion at work. [co-worker 1] Hey co-worker 2, is that your red car in the parking lot? [co-worker 2] No. (There are 4 black cars and a red one in the parking lot. co-worker 2's normal car is not there.) [co-worker 1] That's not your red car? [co-worker 2] Nope. [me] (rolling eyes) Ask him what color his car is! [co-worker 1] What color is your car? [co-worker 2] Cherry! [me] What color is a cherry? [co-worker 2] Red. [me] (smashing head against wall to make brain feel better) But your car is not red? [co-worker 2] No. goodnight everybody...... D. |
| whatzcrackn:
I have been reading the wrong post............... Wait-a-minute.......... Okay the popcorn is ready... Let the dukes fly! :applaud: |
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