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Heavy Duty 8-Way with Tron
telengard:
--- Quote from: jonnyv100 on April 23, 2006, 04:39:10 pm ---I am using the Heavy 8 way Happs Joystick with Tron/Mame and whe I get to the lightcycle stage, It looks like I would need more like a four way stick to play tihs stage. Anyone have any suggestions fix this?
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Hiya jonnyv100,
This has come up a few times in the past. I asked this same question a few years ago. The only solution I've found unfortunately was to purchase a true Tron joystick. Even my xenophobe had this issue. As others have mentioned, there was a special restrictor on that joystick.
~telengard
leapinlew:
--- Quote from: markrvp on April 23, 2006, 08:40:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: jonnyv100 on April 23, 2006, 07:27:43 pm ---Thanks for the suggestion however, since Tron was origianlly an 8-way, I shouldn't have to modify the 8-way to only hit the 4 switches......
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I know what a Tron stick is. I own a real Tron stick. You don't. You have a Happ knockoff and I was asking if anyone with a knockoff like yours had ever modified it to more closely mimic the characteristics of the real Tron stick.
So that you won't embarass yourself again trying to sound smarter than the people trying to help you, I'll fill you in on some info you are apparently unable to find in a search of the boards here:
The original Tron sticks have a 4-way diamond-shaped restrictor on the bottom made of plastic that would "give" a little to allow the diagonals to be hit if you pushed hard diagonally. That prevents the zig-zag problem with an 8-way stick in the Light Cycles phase.
What I was suggesting to you was trying to make the large 8-way actuator smaller so that it wouldn't hit the diagonals so easily. I wasn't saying to eliminate the 8-way action all together.
But, since you shouldn't have to modify anything, you can figure it out yourself.
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Hear Hear!
Nice restrained answer. I don't know that I could've kept my cool like you did. Well played Mr. VP.
:cheers:
NoOne=NBA=:
--- Quote from: markrvp on April 23, 2006, 05:47:53 pm ---Anybody ever tried using a slightly smaller actuator to see if it makes it harder to hit the diagonals?
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I just recently finished building new restrictors for a Xeno stick, to match the original Tron one.
The holes are exactly the same size/shape/etc... but are turned 45 degrees.
You can use the existing restrictors and a Sharpie to mark the material for cutting/grinding, and then just take the material down until the size/bevel match the ones on the Xeno stick.
I built the new top restrictor out of HDPE, vs. the urethane that the original is made out of.
It makes the stick feel a little less "squishy", as it rolls around the restrictor, but does allow it to function properly.
I made the new bottom restrictor out of 1/8" Lexan.
Kremmit:
--- Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on April 23, 2006, 07:36:05 pm ---
If it's that you are getting direction blocking as a result of two switches being hit, then it is more likely a problem with the way that your key encoder is working, rather than an actual problem with your Joystick, becuase the software is actually expecting you to be using an 8 Way.
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Nope. The problem is not with his encoder. This is an old problem, and well documented on the forum. As others have stated, it is due to the absence of the special restrictors, both top and bottom, which were unique to the Tron stick.
Fozzy The Bear:
--- Quote from: Kremmit on April 24, 2006, 12:46:29 am ---
--- Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on April 23, 2006, 07:36:05 pm ---
If it's that you are getting direction blocking as a result of two switches being hit, then it is more likely a problem with the way that your key encoder is working, rather than an actual problem with your Joystick, because the software is actually expecting you to be using an 8 Way.
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Nope. The problem is not with his encoder. This is an old problem, and well documented on the forum. As others have stated, it is due to the absence of the special restrictors, both top and bottom, which were unique to the Tron stick.
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Thanks for the clarification Kremmit.... it is noted.
Interesting it is, as well.... I really must go buy an original TRON stick. I wasn't aware that there were any differences between the original and the Happ Suzo version. But this throws a new light on several issues I've heard about before......
MarkRVP.... That was a little bit vicious mate!! especially given that he's new here! Not at all like you... I'm guessing you were just having a bad hair day :'(
Try and chill a bit, I don't think he was questioning what he was being told, or trying to insult anybody, just not understanding the differences. I work as a Senior Maintenance Engineer for an Arcade and even I didn't know there was any difference in them.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)