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As Gamers, your thoughts on new arcade games.
ArcadEd:
Thanks Andy, you have some nice looking games on your site.
You might want to let people know what the control setup is like for the games so they if they are useable on their cabs or not.
MYX:
Hey one more thing to mention. If you are asking this group, and you are asking folks who are playing on cabs with actual arcade monitors, and this is the market that you are writing for, please remember to program for screen resolutions appropriate to arcade monitors. (15k)
And to Andy Wildsnake, I could be out of line for saying this, but that was a little abrupt for a first post. Yes we are picky people. We are the nerds that make the world a better place. We have many developers in both software and hardware on this board and our "picky"ness is what has pushed them to make outstanding products. It is in our blood. Many of us come from technical backgrounds and are problem solvers by nature. This said, we are also problem causers as we will find the cracks and have you, the developers, fill them in. I don't know if you are new here or if you have been here and never bothered to post a thought, but your post felt a little backhanded and it is not appreciated. Many of us are looking for new content. there are posts all the time about newly found games. Many of us report em and review them. Many of us have, yes, actually purchased them. The people who have spent a heck of a lot of money (sometimes in the thousands of dollars) to build a cabinet do want to play the classics. The fact that they are "free" is a side effect of the age of the game. Many of us actually purchased ROMs legally from StarRoms. And would purchase more if the Game companies would get wise that there is a market here. We are always looking for new stuff. But yes we also want to not have to pay another arm and a leg to get a new game. I noticed that you have free demos on your site, this is a good thing as there is nothing worse than getting burned with a bad game. I hate paying a lot of money for a game that sux. Worse is the fact that with software, even if the game sux, you can not get your money back. Your stuck. This is why many folks are hesitant to buy anything. So forgive us for being picky, if you want opinions, great we'll give them and we will not sugar coat them. We will find the holes and you will have a better game because of it.
tetsu96:
--- Quote from: MYX on April 11, 2006, 09:31:32 am ---Hey one more thing to mention. If you are asking this group, and you are asking folks who are playing on cabs with actual arcade monitors, and this is the market that you are writing for, please remember to program for screen resolutions appropriate to arcade monitors. (15k)
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See? Right there is a split in the community - I'd guess at least 1/3 of the gamers here are using either PC or Tri Sync monitors and we'd want to run in high res (High being either 640x480 or 800x600, not enough Billlabs to think about 1024 yet). I don't know how much effort programming the games to run @ 15KHz would be, but not everyone here would want that. If it's an option, great - if not... *shrugs*
And then how many of us would rather play on vertical vs horizontal monitors? Or are we thinking of letterboxing one mode? That's not even mentioning Windows vs DOS vs Linux - there's truly that many different configurations they'd have to account for.
--- Quote ---And to Andy Wildsnake, I could be out of line for saying this, but that was a little abrupt for a first post. Yes we are picky people. We are the nerds that make the world a better place. We have many developers in both software and hardware on this board and our "picky"ness is what has pushed them to make outstanding products. It is in our blood. Many of us come from technical backgrounds and are problem solvers by nature. This said, we are also problem causers as we will find the cracks and have you, the developers, fill them in. I don't know if you are new here or if you have been here and never bothered to post a thought, but your post felt a little backhanded and it is not appreciated. Many of us are looking for new content. there are posts all the time about newly found games. Many of us report em and review them. Many of us have, yes, actually purchased them. The people who have spent a heck of a lot of money (sometimes in the thousands of dollars) to build a cabinet do want to play the classics. The fact that they are "free" is a side effect of the age of the game. Many of us actually purchased ROMs legally from StarRoms. And would purchase more if the Game companies would get wise that there is a market here. We are always looking for new stuff. But yes we also want to not have to pay another arm and a leg to get a new game. I noticed that you have free demos on your site, this is a good thing as there is nothing worse than getting burned with a bad game. I hate paying a lot of money for a game that sux. Worse is the fact that with software, even if the game sux, you can not get your money back. Your stuck. This is why many folks are hesitant to buy anything. So forgive us for being picky, if you want opinions, great we'll give them and we will not sugar coat them. We will find the holes and you will have a better game because of it.
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I bet Andy's a lot more right than some of the hopefuls want to admit. Did YOU get any games from StarRoms? I'd give you a pat on the back if you said yes, but I'll go on a limb and assume not since they're out of business. I'll bet that the older people here do purchase some of their games (and definately own ports of some if not many games they have), but not nearly as much so as the community would make it out to be.
Don't misunderstand me - I'd love to see more arcade-ish games come out that are geared to this. Hell, if a content delivery system was in place (I'm thinking similar to xbox live, not just a web site) and there was enough content preloaded onto cabs which are sold, I'd see this as even being possible. Licensed games would go a long way to mainstream / legitimize the cab scene as a whole since the "MAME" controls configuration would be a standard going further than just an emulator with unlicensed roms.
But at the end of the day - we're cheap, we're pains in the ass, and I don't think there's enough of us to warrant a developers full attention for such a low price point.
ArcadEd:
I had considered an Xbox LIve type setup as well. I just wasn't sure how manypeople actually have their cabs online, so I wanted to make an alternate place to get games.
MYX:
--- Quote from: tetsu96 on April 11, 2006, 10:38:49 am ---See? Right there is a split in the community - I'd guess at least 1/3 of the gamers here are using either PC or Tri Sync monitors and we'd want to run in high res (High being either 640x480 or 800x600, not enough Billlabs to think about 1024 yet). I don't know how much effort programming the games to run @ 15KHz would be, but not everyone here would want that. If it's an option, great - if not... *shrugs*
And then how many of us would rather play on vertical vs horizontal monitors? Or are we thinking of letterboxing one mode? That's not even mentioning Windows vs DOS vs Linux - there's truly that many different configurations they'd have to account for.
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But this is a Build your own ARCADE forum. Yes many of us are using computer monitors. I myself have chosen to make the leap and play on the type of monitor that the games were designed to be played on. If you want to be a computer gamer, then be one. If you want to be an arcade player then be that. Do not come to this site to put forth ideas for the desktop gamer. All I was doing was saying that if you are asking a group of people that ARE building arcade cabs WITH arcade monitors, please consider it as an option that we could use.
--- Quote from: tetsu96 on April 11, 2006, 10:38:49 am ---I bet Andy's a lot more right than some of the hopefuls want to admit. Did YOU get any games from StarRoms? I'd give you a pat on the back if you said yes, but I'll go on a limb and assume not since they're out of business. I'll bet that the older people here do purchase some of their games (and definately own ports of some if not many games they have), but not nearly as much so as the community would make it out to be.
Don't misunderstand me - I'd love to see more arcade-ish games come out that are geared to this. Hell, if a content delivery system was in place (I'm thinking similar to xbox live, not just a web site) and there was enough content preloaded onto cabs which are sold, I'd see this as even being possible. Licensed games would go a long way to mainstream / legitimize the cab scene as a whole since the "MAME" controls configuration would be a standard going further than just an emulator with unlicensed roms.
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I have purchased several games (though not all). I was limited to strictly Atari. Again, if the manufacturers of these games would wise up, there would be another source of $$$.
--- Quote from: tetsu96 on April 11, 2006, 10:38:49 am ---But at the end of the day - we're cheap, we're pains in the ass
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True
--- Quote from: tetsu96 on April 11, 2006, 10:38:49 am ---I don't think there's enough of us to warrant a developers full attention for such a low price point.
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Dude, I am not asking for HALO. I am asking for the simplicity of the 80's games with better sound and graphics. Developers have much better tools to work with than the folks that were developing in the 80's too.