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| Bloinkxp:
Hi All, I'd like to put my two cent/pence in. Just given the evolution of the Video Card period I doubt that Andy would use a PCI device. Quite simply it looks as though it has a definite end of life. I have been with computers since the Mono/CGA days on the ISA bus...I can smell a dead graphics bus a mile away. The PCI X1 quite simply can accomplish the bandwidth of a PCI device and is future proof... Also, an AVGA is great device that was made for the Arcade group. It really shines displaying arcade resolutions on an arcade monitor. If I were a hard core gamer, why would I play Unreal Tournament 2k3 on that? Why not install an big honkin XGA monitor in my cabinet and play it with the eye candy turned up? .02 given, -D |
| pointdablame:
--- Quote from: squirrellydw on March 16, 2006, 08:12:08 pm ---So what is Andy doing, he has to be following this. He said he is working on a PCIe card, does this include a new chipset or the same chipset just for PCIe? From the little experience I have, I agree there is no reason to put an expensive chipset on it but I think it needs to go to PCIe or just PCI. --- End quote --- It would have to be a different chipset as I'm fairly sure there is no PCIe variant of the 9200 chipset. The real question is whether it would be based on a low to mid range chipset (like the current AGP ArcadeVGA is), or a high end chipset that some people in the thread said would benefit them. Of course the other imporant thing to consider is WHEN to introduce it. We all know that the current AVGA won't be around forever... but should the new version come out in a month? 3? 6? a year? |
| Fozzy The Bear:
--- Quote from: pointdablame on March 16, 2006, 08:04:17 pm ---I understand your entire argument, but you have yet to see the point of my argument. I am not saying NO ONE could use a better chipset on the AVGA. My argument is it is NOT NECESSARY. Big difference. --- End quote --- I do absolutely understand your argument.... I don't actually agree with it.. There's a difference. I'm not pushing for a PCI-E Card... in fact I haven't said that anywhere. I would however like to see it as an 8X AGP card. I personally think, that has much more life span in it. PCI-E is, as several people have pointed out, already being backtracked on, with manufacturers putting out new boards with high end AGP on them. Granted that it's going to cost a little more for the new card. But, we're not exactly talking mega bucks here. While I agree it'd have very little benefit in Mame (at the moment), it would have a huge benefit to any Direct-X Windows Game. That way we get the best of both worlds. IMHO It wouldn't hurt at all to be moving AVGA up to an X800 on AGP 8X and that's actually a scaleable card that can be stuck on a PCI-E bus as well at next to no additional cost apart from a very basic PCB change. I'm afraid that your argument that it doesn't necessarily need an upgrade (at the moment) is rather much a non starter...... I suspect that Andy has absolutely no choice about it. 9200 chipsets have not been manufactured for quite a while now...... He has to move onward and upward if he wants to carry on producing AVGA Cards. So really the only question is where to take it to. X800 on AGP 8X ..IMHO makes the most sense (at the moment). Low cost, above mid range performance and maximum compatibility. In actual fact it makes more sense for Andy to upgrade it (from a business model point of view) Because the more people that can find uses for it, no matter how diverse or nich market those uses are, the more people he can actually sell it to. Best Regards, Julian (Fozzy The Bear) |
| Fozzy The Bear:
--- Quote from: Bloinkxp on March 16, 2006, 10:52:35 pm ---an AVGA is great device that was made for the Arcade group. It really shines displaying arcade resolutions on an arcade monitor. If I were a hard core gamer, why would I play Unreal Tournament 2k3 on that? --- End quote --- That is exacxtly the point.... It needs to be able to do both! At the moment it can't hack it with the PC Games. The 9200 was a pretty crap chipset even when it was newly released. Almost all of the 3D sites slated it. There's no reason why it won't still shine at running arcade monitors after being upgraded, if that's what you want to do. But if it does both, then Andy hugely increases his pottential market. Best Regards, Julian (Fozzy The Bear) |
| kujina:
I wanna ISA version of the AVGA cos I have a crusty 386 and I'm a cheap b@/*# |
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