FS: 800 Watt Millennium Home Theatre MTS 3100 NIB

[AtomSmasher]

I believe you can just cancel his bid and keep your listing active.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/manage_bidders_ov.html#canceling

As to payal, you can send them the email that you received and they will investigate it.

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_help-ext&nodeid=25409&leafid=609971&prior_transaction_id=6525&answer_id=16777222

Thanks, is there a way to just cancel the auction all together?  Since I'm getting a refund theres no reason to keep it on there.

[shardian]

Well, since a fraudulent buyer helped you out, you can probably get back all of your fee's.

You can initiate an unpaid item dispute. Odds are that the person will never respond to ebay's emails, so you will win by default.

I never knew about the dispute system until recently. I'll tell you the story since it's related to Arcade stuff:

I bid on what I thought was an i-pac 4. I won and then paid. I thought I got a good deal: about $10 less than retail. I later realized that it was actually just a 2p Ipac! Obviously I was not the only one confused because bidding was already up to $50 when I got in. I emailed the seller and told them what happened, and even offered to pay their relisting fee's. The seller then initiated a dispute as I mentioned to you. I got a refund, and the seller got ALL of his fee's associated with the auction back. I even got a free positive feedback out of the deal.

[AtomSmasher]

Well, since a fraudulent buyer helped you out, you can probably get back all of your fee's.

You can initiate an unpaid item dispute. Odds are that the person will never respond to ebay's emails, so you will win by default.

I never knew about the dispute system until recently. I'll tell you the story since it's related to Arcade stuff:

I bid on what I thought was an i-pac 4. I won and then paid. I thought I got a good deal: about $10 less than retail. I later realized that it was actually just a 2p Ipac! Obviously I was not the only one confused because bidding was already up to $50 when I got in. I emailed the seller and told them what happened, and even offered to pay their relisting fee's. The seller then initiated a dispute as I mentioned to you. I got a refund, and the seller got ALL of his fee's associated with the auction back. I even got a free positive feedback out of the deal.

Nice, I will do that, thanks for the info.  Maybe your not so bad after all

[NJDevils2006]

The reason I am skeptical of this is that in the ORIGINAL post you claim these are going for over $1000 on EBay.......where did you ever see that info?  Maybe if you added up 3 of them.

remain skeptical!

[AtomSmasher]

The reason I am skeptical of this is that in the ORIGINAL post you claim these are going for over $1000 on EBay.......where did you ever see that info?  Maybe if you added up 3 of them.

remain skeptical!

http://cgi.ebay.com/MILLENNIUM-THEATER-SYSTEM-3100-DVD-CINEMA-SERIES-NEW_W0QQitemZ5876372314QQcategoryZ39817QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-MILLENNIUM-DVD-HOME-THEATER-SYSTEM-3100_W0QQitemZ5877100606QQcategoryZ1499QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/MILLENNIUM-THEATER-SYSTEM-3100-DVD-CINEMA-SERIES-NEW_W0QQitemZ5863504640QQcategoryZ1499QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Theres 3 right there all of which are $1000.  My first guess at the price was because about half of them were going for around $1000 and the ones that weren't were being sold by people with less then 10 feedback (probably all people who got scammed like me).

[NJDevils2006]

next time search what items actually SOLD for....none of those have bids.

the only 2 that sold for more than about 350, where purchased by people who have 0 feedback and are (no loner a registered user)

[AtomSmasher]

next time search what items actually SOLD for....none of those have bids.

the only 2 that sold for more than about 350, where purchased by people who have 0 feedback and are (no loner a registered user)

Ya I probably should of, but I hardly do any ebaying so I didn't even think of it.  The only other thing I've ever sold on ebay was an exhaust for a car and I knew exactly how much to charge.  Also, the person who "bought" mine is now no longer registered so I automatically got my listing charges refunded.

[danny_galaga]

Use the amp and speakers for a MAME cab

that is the best thing. it will make for a bitchin cab! and you dont really want to be selling junk on to someone else. not even a stranger. thats what the white van guys did. sell to a stranger...

[AtomSmasher]

Well I finally got a hold of someone at the company and I'm going to return the product, unfortunately they want to charge a 20% restocking fee and thats around $75.  Granted losing $75 is better then $450, but it would be nice to get all of it back.  I was going to use the fact that they lied about how nice the system is to get my money back, but they still say everything they told me was true.  The easiest to bust them on is they told me they are the same speakers that klipsch makes and uses, and are manufactured in the same place as klipsch speakers, but they say this is true and that they actually are very nice speakers.  Anyone know of a way to prove them wrong on this?  Any other ideas on how to get all my money back?

[shardian]

Well, if they are a truly reputable company as they claim , then they would have had to supply you in writing with a return policy. If they didn't tell you at purchase either verbally, or in writing that there would be a restocking fee, then you could fight them on that.

[AtomSmasher]

Well, if they are a truly reputable company as they claim , then they would have had to supply you in writing with a return policy. If they didn't tell you at purchase either verbally, or in writing that there would be a restocking fee, then you could fight them on that.

Unfortunately it does say 20% restocking fee on the back of the receipt   I'll still argue about how they use dishonest tactics to sell their merchanise, like the fact they told me they were going to take it to their store and sell it for msrp even though they don't even have a store and have probably never sold one for msrp.  Also the fact that they promote it as 800 watts, but its 800watt PMS not RMS and any other company would of labeled it with the 200 watts the speakers likely actually get.  If they still don't budge after a bunch of bitching, then I may just try to negotiate changing the sales price to $200 which is around what its actually worth.

I don't return it until tommorrow morning, so maybe someone else will have an idea.

[MovingTarget]

Dude, just be happy getting everything back except the $75 and chalk that up to a cheap life lesson.  I'm not saying don't at least try to get it all back but in the back of your mind you should be willing to accept the deal you got offered already.  Oh, and I wouldn't go the route of trying to get them to change how much they sell them for, that just makes you look silly.  That's the entire point of their business.

This scam has been going on for years and this is the first I've heard about them actually refunding any money.

I'm big into Home Theater and subscribe to several magazines on the subject.  The "white van" scam is refered to about once a year.  In fact one year they actually sought the guys out to buy their junky speakers for a speaker shoot out/comparision they were doing.  Guess what...the speakers were total junk, there wasn't even a crossover in them.

It's not even decent stuff, it's total junk

[mccoy178]

You could sell us the restocking fee for $150.  I saw on Ebay it's going for $225!   Why not cut one of us a deal first?!

[AtomSmasher]

Dude, just be happy getting everything back except the $75 and chalk that up to a cheap life lesson.  I'm not saying don't at least try to get it all back but in the back of your mind you should be willing to accept the deal you got offered already.  Oh, and I wouldn't go the route of trying to get them to change how much they sell them for, that just makes you look silly.  That's the entire point of their business.

I agree and expect to lose the $75, but it doesn't hurt coming up with some ideas to try to get it all back.  Your probably right about trying to negotiate the price, not a great idea.

[AtomSmasher]

Well this morning I went down to their "store" and returned it.  Unfortunately traffic was heavier then I expected so I was running late and couldn't spend much time arguing and ended up losing $75.  One thing that was kind of funny is that they were having their morning meeting and I could hear them through the door.  There were at least 10 of them (so 5 groups) and they were placing bets on who would sell the most that day.  They were also figuring out who was going where, apparently this one store goes everyone in a 1 hour drive radius from there.  One group was going to Oxnard, another to palmdale, another to long beach, basically 45 min - 1 hour drive in every direction.

I'm just glad I got most of my money back and learned my lesson without losing too much.

[versapak]

Well this morning I went down to their "store" and returned it.  Unfortunately traffic was heavier then I expected so I was running late and couldn't spend much time arguing and ended up losing $75.  One thing that was kind of funny is that they were having their morning meeting and I could hear them through the door.  There were at least 10 of them (so 5 groups) and they were placing bets on who would sell the most that day.  They were also figuring out who was going where, apparently this one store goes everyone in a 1 hour drive radius from there.  One group was going to Oxnard, another to palmdale, another to long beach, basically 45 min - 1 hour drive in every direction.

I'm just glad I got most of my money back and learned my lesson without losing too much.

Glad to hear it is over and done with. It definitely sucks losing $75, but it is much better to lose the $75, than to have lost $450, and it was definitely a life lesson. No white van will ever look just white again.

[ChadTower]

I was expecting him to post saying he went to get his refund and they mugged him.

[DZuroff]

Where are they going to restock it?  In the back of another white van?  It sound slike your hands were tied because of the notice on the receipt but I think I would have still given them a hard time.  Now they get to sell the unit for $400 to some unsuspecting person and they made $75 on top of that.  People like that need to be dragged in the street.  I remember several years ago a friend and I were approched by two guys driving (yep, you guessed it) a white van.  They claimed they worked for XYZ company and their supplier overshipped these high quality speakers and because they didn't have the space they were slashing the price by 50% so they could unload them.  They were very persisitent that I would never find a deal quite like it so I should really consider buying a set.  I told them to take a hike before I call the cops and report them for harrassment.  The left and I have never had an encounter with another white van.  This happened in Elkhart Indiana so it isn't isolated to only big cities.