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NoOne=NBA=:

--- Quote from: Patent Doc on March 02, 2006, 09:01:34 am ---Just as an aside, converting a DOT to Tron is not a simple as just replacing the restrictors.
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It is EXACTLY that easy.
I've done it.


--- Quote ---The reason is that the metal is punched as a diamond or square at least on the bottom.
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The Tron/Pacman bottom restrictors will go into a DOT/Xeno stick.
The DOT base has a round hole that is larger than the diamond shaped one in the Tron sticks.

What you can't do is go the other way.
The bottom restrictor from a DOT/Xeno will not fit into the diamond shaped hole on a Tron stick.

The top restrictor inserts are completely interchangable.
The only difference is the shape of the inner hole.

The only other differences are the addition of the thumb button on the DOT stick, and the angled handle on the DOT stick.
Gorf sticks are a good way to get the straight handle necessary for converting to a true Tron stick.
They usually go alot cheaper than Tron sticks.
NoOne=NBA=:

--- Quote from: SirPoonga on March 02, 2006, 11:15:35 am ---If I remember a discussion we had for controls.dat, dotron's triggerstick is an 8way but the diagnals are slightly restricted.  Meaning it is difficult to hit the diagonals.

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It's the Tron sticks that are hard to hit diagonals on.
DOT/Xeno sticks have square restrictors on them, and can easily hit diagonals.
DOT is easily playable with a standard Tron stick because most of the movements are side-to-side anyway.

DOT may well have been an additional stage of the original game, planned to use the existing Tron controllers.
The Up/Down and Deflect functions may have been added later, to flesh out the game when it became a stand-alone.
Patent Doc:

--- Quote ---The Tron/Pacman bottom restrictors will go into a DOT/Xeno stick.
The DOT base has a round hole that is larger than the diamond shaped one in the Tron sticks.

What you can't do is go the other way.
The bottom restrictor from a DOT/Xeno will not fit into the diamond shaped hole on a Tron stick.

--- End quote ---

You know, I never tried Tron into DOT.  I saw the diamond in the Tron and had one way blinders on.  Thanks for pointing that out.


--- Quote ---The only other differences are the addition of the thumb button on the DOT stick, and the angled handle on the DOT stick.
Gorf sticks are a good way to get the straight handle necessary for converting to a true Tron stick.
They usually go alot cheaper than Tron sticks.

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I actually have an original Tron handle and it seems to fit the DOT (the differnece apparently is the inner shaft which is bent in DOT and straight in Tron, but everything lines up).


--- Quote ---It's the Tron sticks that are hard to hit diagonals on.
DOT/Xeno sticks have square restrictors on them, and can easily hit diagonals.
DOT is easily playable with a standard Tron stick because most of the movements are side-to-side anyway.

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NoOne=NBA=

You the man!!  It's been so long since I've played DOT I forgot it was mostly side to side.  Awesome!! Now I need to try and part together one solid Tron stick from my parts.

Thanks a ton.   Great Info!!

NoOne=NBA=:

--- Quote from: Patent Doc on March 02, 2006, 01:10:56 pm ---You know, I never tried Tron into DOT.  I saw the diamond in the Tron and had one way blinders on.  Thanks for pointing that out.
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IIRC, the Pac stick ones actually have the same round outer ring on the bottom restrictor as DOT.
I sold my last Pac stick awhile back, and don't have one to check.
I remember not being able to use it to replace the one on my Tron stick though.



--- Quote ---I actually have an original Tron handle and it seems to fit the DOT (the differnece apparently is the inner shaft which is bent in DOT and straight in Tron, but everything lines up).
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Exactly.
A quick note on that.
If you want to make the stick easier to disassemble, once you get the factory punch pins out of that inner shaft, replace them with cotter pins.

Another note, the bottom part of the Gorf sticks is different than Tron/DOT because it had to drive the optic sliders, rather than using leafswitches, so you HAVE to get that part out of the handle to use it on a Tron/DOT base.



--- Quote ---Now I need to try and part together one solid Tron stick from my parts.
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I'm actually working on replacing the restrictors on a DOT stick at the moment.
Well "working" is probably not completely accurate, but it's on my list and the stick is disassembled...let me put it that way.
My plan is to make them from Lexan.
I just haven't had time to play with anything between work and school recently.

There was somebody around here that was planning to have bottom restrictors milled from Lexan awhile back, if you do a search on it.
Mine are going to be more of a grind to fit affair, but should work well once I get the right angles, etc... on them.
telengard:

--- Quote from: NoOne=NBA= on March 02, 2006, 12:50:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Patent Doc on March 02, 2006, 09:01:34 am ---Just as an aside, converting a DOT to Tron is not a simple as just replacing the restrictors.
--- End quote ---

It is EXACTLY that easy.
I've done it.


--- Quote ---The reason is that the metal is punched as a diamond or square at least on the bottom.
--- End quote ---

The Tron/Pacman bottom restrictors will go into a DOT/Xeno stick.
The DOT base has a round hole that is larger than the diamond shaped one in the Tron sticks.

What you can't do is go the other way.
The bottom restrictor from a DOT/Xeno will not fit into the diamond shaped hole on a Tron stick.

The top restrictor inserts are completely interchangable.
The only difference is the shape of the inner hole.

The only other differences are the addition of the thumb button on the DOT stick, and the angled handle on the DOT stick.
Gorf sticks are a good way to get the straight handle necessary for converting to a true Tron stick.
They usually go alot cheaper than Tron sticks.


--- End quote ---

Hmm, so am I reading this correctly in that I could take a xeno joystick and a restrictor from a pac-man joy and have (for all intents and purposes) a Tron joystick?  I would give almost anything (but the $$ on eBay for a Tron joy) to be able to play the light cycles stage.  I have a xeno joystick and a spare pac joystick.  For some reason I thought the bottom restrictor was different.

~telengard
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