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| RandyT:
--- Quote from: Silver on February 05, 2006, 03:35:19 pm ---I'm only playing on a 24" screen, but I don't have to be anywhere near 7' back. But if you have to be that far back for 52', I can see its annoying. --- End quote --- Even so, according to the manufacturer you need to have the tip of the gun a minimum of about 3' away from that screen. That's further away than most would play at the arcade. Personally, I think that distance is understated. I used them on my 27" RGB monitor and had difficulties with the far corners standing 6' back. --- Quote ---Hmmm. I defintely do NOT have this problem. Firing is instant, as is tracking. I've played lots of point blank/zero point in the arcade, and some t2/opwolf and find this gun just as good if not better (some of the arcade guns I've used have been VERY poorly calibrated. Anyway - if you have a 0.5sec lag then I would suggest something is wrong. --- End quote --- My testing of HOTD3 was on the XBOX. There are no drivers to fiddle with there. I can move the gun and watch the crosshair trail it as though there was a 1/2" long rubber band connecting the two. It did exactly the same thing in the calibration screen of T2 with MAME. --- Quote ---For pure tracking of the mouse cursor, WinGun produces a slight lag (not that big though - only noticeable if you are sweeping the screen). Smog's driver does not exhibit this. I would concur that a 0.5 sec delay would make 90% of lightgun games unplayable. Are you using the Troubleshooter? I believe I have read that on some systems this will produce such a long lag in some games. This appears to be a side effect of it hijacking input's, although I've not had the issue. --- End quote --- As I wrote, I could not get WinGun working. It would not even install on my 98SE system. What OS are you using? --- Quote ---Are you using troubleshooter? I just tried HOTD3 (PC version) with Troubleshooter, and accuracy is perfect. Spot on. It won't track as you move (only targets when you fire) which may not be perfect (as when you play with mouse the gun graphic moves to follow you) but is fun to play.... Also check for windows mouse acceleration - check its off. --- End quote --- My system always has mouse acceleration off because it is used with trackballs and spinners. But as I wrote above, I was using the XBOX, so there are no settings to be incorrectly set. --- Quote ---I agree with lots of your points, but for me its so far ahead of actlabs (tv and USB) and guncon2 (I now have all 4 gun systems) the others appear a waste of money. --- End quote --- I don't have any of those to compare. I am basing my opinions not on how much better it is than the current solutions for this application, but whether it stacks up to what I have become accustomed to. This pretty much means the Guncons, when used with the Sony Consoles, and of course the arcades. My opinion is that this system is inferior enough to both of those to leave me wanting (and expecting) more. --- Quote from: ChodTheWacko on February 05, 2006, 03:38:49 pm --- --- Quote from: RandyT on February 05, 2006, 03:13:08 pm ---And, related to all of the above, the cables are just too short. If your XBOX or PC is next to the display, and you need to get back that far, it's hard to achieve it with the supplied cables. --- End quote --- I'm going to be trying this with a front projector, so this should be pretty interesting. --- End quote --- My sofa is only 10' away from my screen, so I had doubts that I could get far enough away for the projector. I will probably try it eventually though. --- Quote ---The simple solution to the cables being too short is to power the led strips with an external adaptor. I happened to have a perfect one in my closet. --- End quote --- Yes. But you'll still need have your machine close by you, or get a USB extension cable. You'll want to make sure that the power supply you use is regulated. Those LED bars probably only have a resistor inside and expect a solid 5v source. Anything greater than that will accelerate their demise. --- Quote ---I was also thinking that there's no reason the led strips couldn't be on the floor, or above the tv. They just have to be anywhere were the gun can see them, and half the distance apart as your shooting distance, right? --- End quote --- Therein lies the problem. The manufacturer gives a 15' distance limitation. With a large screen, you would be physically pointing the gun a fair distance away from the bars when aiming at a corner, or even the sides. Without knowing the field-of-view for the camera, it's hard to know the limitations, but the lens and aperture is small. So it can't be that wide an angle and is probably prone to considerable distortion. Based on what I know about optics and the way this was handling on a larger screen, I believe the error will be much greater, the further the gun is pointed from the position of the LED bars. That's why I concluded the optimal use to be for displays under 25" diagonal. RandyT |
| Gh0sty:
RandyT i play on my 37" CRT Monitor with this LCD Topgun, and i'm standing aprox 2meters from the display away, it works really great, and i wouldnt want to stay closer to this huge screen anyway. 2m are nothing when you have a 37" in front of you, its feels like an real arcade. It took my aprox 2 days full testing with calibrating (build in calib-soft & wingun)-calib to get it near perfect now. unfortunately Smogs driver didnt detect my guns at all, so i cant test his driver. But Wingun works very good single & dual play! what i can tell you from my expirience is forget the laser pointer while calibrating, use it just for successful calib-confirmation, point it somewhere to the side and aim the gun like you would in real. When playing a game and you realize that your aim is 100% in the middle but not good tracking in the corners, thats where i use Wingun calibration when you shot the last 6 circles. If your aim is off to the left and right but good in the middle, then shot at the left and right circle not exsactly in the middle, point it a littler more towards the screen center. Same goes for up & down if you have a tracking problem there. This way i now have a close to 100% perfect tracking . We now play Zero Point daily with 2 Guns! it is really fun. Comparing it with the act-Labs crap we used before, its a fresh brise! But i need help with other emulators, i want to play Sega Master System Lightgun Games, ie. Shooting Gallery, what Emulator are you guys using with the LCD Gun ??? R Gh0sty |
| RandyT:
--- Quote from: Gh0sty on February 05, 2006, 05:12:45 pm ---RandyT i play on my 37" CRT Monitor with this LCD Topgun, and i'm standing aprox 2meters from the display away, it works really great, and i wouldnt want to stay closer to this huge screen anyway. 2m are nothing when you have a 37" in front of you, its feels like an real arcade. --- End quote --- I'll drag the XBOX into the bedroom and hook it up to the 37" in there. Maybe it will work better in that configuration. --- Quote ---It took my aprox 2 days full testing with calibrating (build in calib-soft & wingun)-calib to get it near perfect now. unfortunately Smogs driver didnt detect my guns at all, so i cant test his driver. But Wingun works very good single & dual play! what i can tell you from my expirience is forget the laser pointer while calibrating, use it just for successful calib-confirmation, point it somewhere to the side and aim the gun like you would in real. When playing a game and you realize that your aim is 100% in the middle but not good tracking in the corners, thats where i use Wingun calibration when you shot the last 6 circles. If your aim is off to the left and right but good in the middle, then shot at the left and right circle not exsactly in the middle, point it a littler more towards the screen center. Same goes for up & down if you have a tracking problem there. This way i now have a close to 100% perfect tracking . --- End quote --- Thanks for the tips, but part of my current problem is being unable to use any of those utilities/drivers. So if the cure lies in those, they aren't going help. If you are using 98SE as an OS to do all of this, then please let me know how you managed to get WinGun working. This does make sense, btw. It sounds like a multi-point calibration like a touchscreen might use. The calibration screen on HOTD3 on the XBOX was only 2 points. The PC can probably correct for things the XBOX cannot. --- Quote ---But i need help with other emulators, i want to play Sega Master System Lightgun Games, ie. Shooting Gallery, what Emulator are you guys using with the LCD Gun ??? --- End quote --- I was wondering this as well. The few I tried didn't recognize the mouse as a lightgun input, or had the lightgun option greyed out. RandyT |
| ChodTheWacko:
Followup. Okay, trying it with the front projector was pretty much a failure. THe picture is just too freakin' big. I tried it on my 35 inch television, and that worked with no problem. Well, calibration was a little bit off, but I was too lazy to correct it. For the most part, it was working fine. I also noticed something interesting, if you are having problems calibrating, then calibrate randomly (just click on the middle of the screen 5 times). Then move the laser pointer around, and note if it flickers or flat out vanishes if you hit a corner of your screen. The laser light goes out if it can't see that corner, and it doesn't matter if it's calibrated 'correctly' or not. Same goes in wingun calibration. the cursor should be smoothly moving around. If it starts stuttering in its movement, then that's a sign you need to change positions of stuff somehow. I did a bunch of experimentation and I haven't got a good feel of how big is 'too big'. Putting the bars inside the screen had varying degrees of success. I think it would be very useful to keep track of: 1) how big of a screen you have 2) how far apart the led bars are 3) how far back you stood and were able to play well. There are definitely 'sweet spots' you want to stay in. I'm curious what the biggest tv someone can get this to work with. Anyone try on a 42" yet? |
| patrickl:
I completely agree with RandyT. I like the look and feel, but the installation is a nightmare. The lag is horrible for me too. I'm using WinGun does that matter? I got the idea that Smogs's drivers would be really drivers and thus perhaps faster? Unfortunately I cannot get those drivers to detect my gun. The lag is really my biggest issue. With fast moving action it's nearly impossible to hit all the targets quick enough when with the mouse that's no problem at all. Maybe I should tweak the calibration further though. But then that's really a hit-miss thing too. I never seem to get it right and somethimes it goes completely out of whack and some parts of the screen can't even be hit. The cable is too short too. Even with my 28" TV. I'm thinking about using an USB extention cable or maybe even an active USB hub. I might need the hub anyway since the recoil seems to kill the device (Windows loses and then finds the USB device again). I get the feeling it's more a gimmick rather than something I would actually use. Anyway, my kid loves it so I guess that means it's money well spent nomatter what I think of it :) |
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