Do you feel like a criminal?

[ClubNinja]

I need to be redeemed to the one I've sinned against because he's all I ever knew of love.

That girl needs a sandwich.

[Grasshopper]

Record companies say CDs cost so much because you're mostly paying for the right to play the music. Fine but if you've already earned that right by buying a vinyl record you shouldn't have to pay for the same right a second time when buying a CD.

They have also said at times that the physical medium is the license, thus you have technically bought a piece of vinyl with the music imprinted on it. 

Where in that license you describe does it say you are entitled to more than one physical copy, particularly one on a different medium, and therefore in a different format?

I understand the law, or at least the records companies' interpretation of the law. I'm just saying I think it's wrong.

[GGKoul]

This Legal discussion of MAME has been spoken about to death.  Do a search and enjoy!

[RayB]

When you buy a Coke, do you think you're only buying the liquid inside? Hell no. In fact the biggest chunk of the price tag goes towards packaging. You're paying for the damn bottle and the machines that put the liquid into that bottle. The liquid may be the REASON you bought the bottle, but in the end that's what you bought, a bottle.

When CDs came out, no one forced you to "upgrade" your vinyl or tapes. If you scratched up your vinyl, that's your own fault. You rendered the record useless by letting it get scratched. You de-valued it. Should you be entitled to bring the record to a store and get another one because yours has been damaged through no fault of theirs? No. Why would it be any different just because we're talking about CDs?

What you're talking about is the CONTENT. And yeah, it may seem insulting that companies are trying to sell us the same content over and over again, but ultimately you have a choice: to buy or not. So if you already own Appetite for Destruction, then don't buy it again.

[More Cowbell]

Example3:

[ChadTower]

I understand the law, or at least the records companies' interpretation of the law. I'm just saying I think it's wrong.

When did the law gain a concept of right or wrong?

There is legal and illegal.  Right and wrong are not part of the concept.

[Zakk]

Is there some kind of troll-clock that has gone off recently? 

[crashwg]

I don't feal as though anyone is loosing out when I pirate games, movies, whatever.  I think of it this way...  If I didn't pirate it, I wouldn't buy it anyways because I can't afford it.  Therefor, the producer of the goods makes the same amount of money whether I pirate or not.

Granted, there are alot of people involved in putting stuff like video games, software and movies together and I'm sure they don't appreciate someone like myself benefitting from their hard work, but when I put myself in their shoes I think to myself "Would I rather make $5m and have my product be enjoyed by 100,000 people or make $5m and have my product be enjoyed by 2, 4, even 600,000 people?"  The later would sure make me feel just as good or better because people obviously liked my work.

Maybe some day when I make the big bucks and can afford supporting my family and entertaining myself I'll splurge a bit and actually pay for something I can otherwise get for free.  Until then, all my consoles will be modded and every movie that enters my front door will be copied.

[AtomSmasher]

I don't feal as though anyone is loosing out when I pirate games, movies, whatever.

[Howard_Casto]

My favorite is the rationality that as long as they didn't lose a sale there's no harm done -- the one that says, "Well, had I not pirated it I still wouldn't have bought it, though I use it regularly now." That's like saying that it's okay if someone breaks into my house and lives there while I'm gone, so long as they leave everything just so before I return.

[Havok]

I think one thing that is not being addressed is: are we really talking about something that is actually illegal? I think everyone is taking today's bull$hit laws\regulations and trying to apply them to software from 25 - 30 years ago. Show me the WRITTEN Eula for Space Invaders, and then we can talk...

[Sephroth57]

I checked the one that closest resembles- "I just don't care".

my feelings exactly

[allroy1975]

How come that Appetite for Destruction album (CD) still costs $16+ and I can buy Hudson Hawk for like $5.   wtf?  I would guess that the GnR record has more than made it's money back while Hudson Hawk I think finally broke even around the time of it's DVD release.

I've gone to recording studios, but never a big one to put out a real record...but I would imagine a MOVIE costs a bit more to make than a CD, production wise. 

I bought Doom II (split it with 3 friends then we all copied it), Quake II (same thing)..and I think that's all.  I have Mame, 2 servers, main PC, a laptop, a Jukebox and a PC in my car....who thinks I own 6 Windows XP Pro licenses?  what  does that bad boy cost?  I have no idea, but it's over $100 last time I checked. 

Everyone's greedy.  Myself included.  They can charge big companies (who for some reason..really not sure why...I think SHOULD have to pay) for software etc, but I'm not paying for it...unless I can't find it.  Or they wrote some DANG FINE copy protection. 

That's just me.  it's just another reason i'm going to hell.  if you beleive in that..
 

Allroy

[Sephroth57]

shhh, theres no hell =p

[ChadTower]

How come that Appetite for Destruction album (CD) still costs $16+ and I can buy Hudson Hawk for like $5.

[markrvp]

shhh, theres no hell =p

Sure there is.  We're in it right now.

[TMS]

The way I look at it If a starving man steals bread to feed his family, it's not a crime. Well I am starving for classic games 4,000 of them. 

[allroy1975]

How come that Appetite for Destruction album (CD) still costs $16+ and I can buy Hudson Hawk for like $5.   wtf?  I would guess that the GnR record has more than made it's money back while Hudson Hawk I think finally broke even around the time of it's DVD release.

It costs what the people who own the IP say it costs.

This is not a case of "it should cost what I want."  This is a case of "it costs what the seller demands."

No, you're wrong.  If they want money for it...it should cost what I want. 
It doesn't cost what I want...thus it's free.

[Havok]

How come that Appetite for Destruction album (CD) still costs $16+ and I can buy Hudson Hawk for like $5.

[ChadTower]

Actually, with a market economy it will cost what the consumer whats eventually: too high and they will look to competitors, or straight up not buy it. I just listen to the Radio - that's why my CD sales have plummeted. I'm sick of all the DRM and too high music costs. Screw them. I'm sure they count me as a pirate so they can whine to the government and judges to make a better case for them, but it's simply not true.

What competitors?  Only one record company owns the rights to Appetite For Destruction.

[Hoopz]

He means competitive ways to hear music or the time spent listening to music.  The radio is an alternative to listening to a CD. 

[ChadTower]

The person used a specific album and specific movie as the dataset.

You are changing the parameters in midstream, so the comparison doesn't work anyway.

[Hoopz]

I would hardly call Hudson Hawk a movie anyway...

[ChadTower]

True.  It's more like a blank tape that you haven't reused yet.

[Hoopz]

Is that like all your tapes of Tiffany??

[ChadTower]

Exactly, bro.  My mother watched the news one day and threw out all my NWA, 2 Live Crew, etc... so I went to the record store and bought like 8 copies of that album from the clearance bin.  Taped over them... she thought I was a huge Tiffany fan.   

Clearly, this was all way before mp3 and flashable players and writable CDs.

Thank GOD for headphones.

[Hoopz]

What about Night Ranger and Air Supply.  I remember seeing them in that same bin...

Surely, downloading *ahem* music like that can't be a crime!

[ChadTower]

Night Ranger and Air Supply didn't have any teenage redhead chicks.

[Hoopz]

No but the music was just as bad.

[ChadTower]

When you tape over the cassette, all you have left is the photo on the cover.

Would you rather look at 16 year old Tiffany or the dudes from Air Supply?

[Hoopz]

When I was 17, Tiffany was smokin hot.  Like the chick from the Bangles.  And Banarama...

[ChadTower]

Mmm, Susanna Hoff.

[allroy1975]

Dude...if you guys can't appreciate a movie like Hudson Hawk  I can't help you there. 

Seriously though, why do movies cost less than CDs?  it doesn't make sense and verifies to me how out of control greedy they (the Record lables) are.  Why does windows cost $100+ when it doesn't work right?

I dunno.  I give stuff away when I work long and hard on it...you can see that again when the arcade art library comes back up.  Why does everyone want so much money for everything?  it just frustrates me.  I don't feel guilty at all for "pirating" the stuff I download.   do you think they feel guilty when they sell a 20 year old record for $16.99?  I bet not.

Allroy

[Hoopz]

I remember watching a movie at a drive in with Susan Hoffa in it.  I kept waiting for her to take off her shirt.  Never happened....

[markrvp]

I don't feel so much like a criminal - more of an outlaw.  Outlaws are way more cool than criminals

[Hoopz]

I don't feel so much like a criminal - more of an outlaw. Outlaws are way more cool than criminals

Good point.

The Outlaw Josey Wales....

[ChadTower]

The Bad Ass Billy Gunn!

[RayB]

Seriously though, why do movies cost less than CDs?

[deadmoney5]

FU

Night Ranger rules

to each his own

[Grasshopper]

When you buy a Coke, do you think you're only buying the liquid inside? Hell no. In fact the biggest chunk of the price tag goes towards packaging. You're paying for the damn bottle and the machines that put the liquid into that bottle. The liquid may be the REASON you bought the bottle, but in the end that's what you bought, a bottle.

When CDs came out, no one forced you to "upgrade" your vinyl or tapes. If you scratched up your vinyl, that's your own fault. You rendered the record useless by letting it get scratched. You de-valued it. Should you be entitled to bring the record to a store and get another one because yours has been damaged through no fault of theirs? No. Why would it be any different just because we're talking about CDs?

Not a very convincing analogy IMHO.

The markup on CDs is absolutely colossal. Here in the UK you can buy a blank CR-R for about 20p yet a typical music CD will cost you