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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2005, 12:37:04 am »
I was lucky and at the time I had two AP's so I could do a refence check.


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What I ment was I always had at least one Alien poker so when I did the swap I already had one in the showroom. I used to double check things with.
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2005, 11:02:03 am »

Ah, I couldn't figure out what AP was there.  Alien Poker.  Duh.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2005, 07:39:42 pm »
The second rotisserie is complete, painted, and ready to go.

The playfield adventure is set to begin on February 5, after my combination Super Bowl and birthday party.

The Alien Poker I was looking at went for $213.50. It was not pretty, it would have taken a lot of money and time to refurbish.


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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2005, 10:51:28 am »
Man, you guys are into Pinball.

I had one I had to get rid of. It was constantally breaking down.  The pop bumpers only worked when they wanted to. 

It had a blue million wires and 5 bridge rectifiers and all those transistors, SCR's, Triacs, wow.

It's too complicated for my small mind to comprehend at this point. I'd have to study for weeks to figure these things out.

Give me a broken Video game and I can fix it, but these things are not for the faint of heart.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2005, 01:12:08 pm »

I felt that way at first too... but once you learn the basic architecture of a pin, all SS are mostly the same and all EM are mostly the same.  The concepts are the same as vids, but just on a larger scale.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2006, 10:59:06 pm »
Well, the old playfield is now out of the cabinet.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2006, 11:00:36 pm »
Unfortunately, one end of the playfield dropped before I could secure it. There was some damage.  :'(  :'(  :'(



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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2006, 09:20:04 am »

That doesn't look too bad.  Could have been worse.  I've done far worse myself.

I was thinking about this the other day.  The new PF you got, it was fully wired, yes?  If that's the case, a PF swap is actually not that hard other than mechanically moving the thing into place.  I had always thought about moving the wiring and underfield parts as part of the PF swap... if you don't need to do those things, it should be fairly straightforward remove PF1 put in PF2 and connect all the harnesses.

Is this about right?

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2006, 09:51:02 am »
No, there is no wiring on the new playfield. It is t-nutted and dimpled, however.

Most NOS playfield are sold with no parts attached.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2006, 09:51:53 am »

So you had to swap all of the wiring over?  That is a hell of a job.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2006, 09:40:34 pm »
I vacuumed out the cabinet, this is what it looked like before vacuuming.
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2006, 09:42:06 pm »
I puchased a new knocker assembly. The bracket was there but not the solenoid. I figure someone cannibalized it. Unfortunately, it did not come with a wire harness.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2006, 09:44:31 pm »
I also purchased a new coin door. For some reason the plastic tub is too tall so I need to go to the Cointainer Store :) and get one the right size. Also, the wiring is different from my old coin door to the new one, so that's something else I have to wire up.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2006, 11:21:45 am »
10 plastic posts done.

There are two ways of attaching the plastic posts to the playfield. Wood screws and T-nuts. Surprisingly, the wood screw ones have been easier. All that I need to find is the dimple, which can be difficult on a black background, then apply gentle pressure straight down with the nut driver.

The T-Nuts have given me problems. Several plastic posts have been cracked or broken because of overtightening. Also, two of the screws have sheared off completely.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2006, 11:22:32 am »
20 plastic posts done.
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #55 on: February 20, 2006, 11:21:43 am »

Holy crap that looks sweet.  Shiny.

While you're out buying knockers, could you get my wife a new pair?

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2006, 11:43:02 am »
I made a good bit of progress over the weekend. I moved some of the metal guides over. I cleaned them off with "Stainless Steel Magic". Also, all the plastic posts have been moved now except for the broken ones.

I also posted on RGP about how best to get some of the metal pieces ("snubber rails?") out. I think that's up next. The first method I used was to pull it out with vise grips. This left some scratches on the metal. Next I tried using a plastic putty knife underneath the wire thingy and a chisel to gently pry upwards. The putty knife protects the wood and the chisel doesn't move against the metal and thus doesn't scratch it.

All the plastics are off now. I hit a couple of snags. The first one was where one of the dome nuts that hold the plastics on was stripped. That was solved by peeling the nut apart and then prying the nut off the plastic while applying upwards pressure with vise grips. No damage was done to the top side of the plastic, but I did damage the underside of the plastic with a method that didn't work.

The other snag was where the head of a wood screw sheared off in the new playfield, when it had been screwed in, so it is impossible to remove. I think this should be okay, however.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2006, 11:50:02 am »

Looking damn good.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2006, 04:20:56 pm »
That is just so sweet-looking ...

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2006, 08:50:10 pm »
Man... I could not imagine taking all the crap off one playfield and putting it on another.  Just with my simple EM machine I'm would look at that as a nightmare.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2006, 09:45:26 am »

Actually, if you have both playfields side by side, it's not that hard.  Take off one assembly, clean it, and put it on the other.  Takes lots of digital pics in the process in case you need reference for how it is assembled.

It's when you have to take everything off one playfield, clean it all, then put it back on the same playfield that it's a real pain in the ass.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2006, 09:14:54 pm »
WOW!! Looks good.  Makes me what to shop my pinball.

But could you shop the unit without removing all the lower half and wiring?  As I think that maybe a easier way...

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2006, 09:57:07 pm »

Yes, you would never remove the wiring loom and stuff to shop a pin.

Clearcoating the playfield is not part of a standard shop job.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #63 on: February 26, 2006, 08:51:28 pm »
I pounded in the little metal pieces, which was a pain. The right way to do things was to pound in the little metal pieces before moving the red plastic posts. This way, the red posts obstructed me. Use a small piece of plywood and a plastic mallet, as shown. I originally used just the mallet, and I bent one of the metal doodads pretty badly. Then I tried using the flat edge of a chisel instead of a soft piece of plywood, that didn't work very well, I took a chip out of the playfield.  :'( :'( :'(  Finally, the plywood+mallet method worked okay for most of the rest of the metal pieces.

Another thing I learned was that I should have drilled all the pilot holes before sending the playfield off to be clearcoated.

So, for future reference:

1) Move the little metal doodads before the red posts.
2) Pound in the little metal pieces with a plastic mallet, using a piece of plywood to distribute the force evenly.
3) Drill the pilot holes before sending the playfield off to be clearcoated.
4) The screw keeping the rotisserie from rotating is not strong enough. Make sure the rotisserie is kept in place by  another method, rope, bungee cords, or whatever.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #64 on: February 27, 2006, 09:02:29 am »

What pilot holes?

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #65 on: February 27, 2006, 10:17:57 am »
I drilled pilot holes for all the metal guide rails. IMO it would have been better to drill pilot holes for all the plastic posts too, before clearing the playfield. When screwing in the plastic posts without pilot holes, the clear lifted slightly, causing a thin white ring around the screw. Nothing that is not covered by the plastic post, and maybe the white ring will settle eventually. But where I drilled the pilot holes for the snubber rails and the other metal bits, there was no white ring, plus I had to pound a whole lot less.
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #66 on: February 27, 2006, 10:24:27 am »

The NOS playfield didn't have any of those holes already drilled?

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« Reply #67 on: February 27, 2006, 04:02:37 pm »
They were "dimples". Basically, it told me where the pieces should go and where to drill the holes.
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #68 on: February 27, 2006, 04:06:40 pm »

I kind of figured that was part of the CNC process... all of those holes.  If you had predrilled, wouldn't the clear have just filled the holes anyway?

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« Reply #69 on: February 27, 2006, 05:28:02 pm »
Possibly. We'll find out next time. :)
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #70 on: March 12, 2006, 08:21:58 pm »
We have flipover!

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2006, 08:29:04 pm »
The flippers and pop bumpers are still on the old playfield. Next up is rebuilding the flippers. I figured out how to take them apart and put them together without damage.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2006, 08:32:08 pm »
The new playfield looks like this now:

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #73 on: March 12, 2006, 10:41:04 pm »

Holy ---smurfing--- ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---... I know exactly what I'm looking at and that's still scary.

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« Reply #74 on: March 13, 2006, 09:15:53 am »
It really is more intimidating than it looks. The big challenge will be cleaning it, it is filthy. I am considering the dishwasher method of cleaning the wire harness. We'll see how much desoldering/resoldering, if any, that involves.
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #75 on: March 13, 2006, 10:07:17 am »

Eek.  I'd be afraid of water getting inside of individual wires and corroding and/or just sitting there.

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« Reply #76 on: March 13, 2006, 10:13:12 am »
never bothered to clean wires but if it was me i would use some sort of non conductive aerosol electrical cleaner and a air compressor to blast off the excess dust/grime

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #77 on: March 13, 2006, 10:58:14 am »

No need for that... I would just use a damp sponge.  There's no need for them to be pristine and there's no need to risk damaging wire in a place that would be a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch to find later.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2006, 03:27:03 pm »
Hey Budda...  you've got a PM.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #79 on: March 14, 2006, 03:41:28 pm »
I vote for the dishwasher method.  Never had a problem with it, especially with harnesses, as they are more durable than boardsets...

As clean as that PF is going to be... it'd be a shame not to have a squeeky-clean harness and cabinet inside, too.

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