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My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate - All Electronics Done!
« on: November 08, 2005, 10:30:58 pm »
Hello,

In March of 2005 I acquired my first pinball machine, a Stargate. All the plastics, toys, wireform ramps, and all that are intact and in good condition. The cabinet is in great shape, too. Everything works 100%.

The only problem is that the playfield is shot to hell. It is in very poor condition, with duct tape in the ball drop areas and much of the artwork destroyed in several areas. Someone must have used scratched-up pinballs in the machine.

Not to fear. The collector who sold me the machine was originally planning to swap the playfield out and so he had a NOS playfield that I bought along with the machine.

Here are a couple of pictures of the playfield as it currently exists.
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2005, 10:33:18 pm »
After doing some research, I decided to send my NOS playfield off to be clearcoated. I sent it to the well-known playfield restorer Bill Davis.

Here are a couple of pictures of the clearcoated playfield. It looks better than this in person.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2005, 10:37:49 pm »
I'm planning on doing this playfield swap in an unconventional way. I saw some plans for a playfield rotisserie online and I decided to build one.

After I explained what it was for to my wife, she suggested that I build two of them, one for the old playfield and one for the new one. That way parts can be transferred more easily. After giving this some thought, I agreed.

The second rotisserie is still under construction, once it is done I'll post pictures.

Here's a link to the post on rec.games.pinball that I got the plans from.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2005, 06:40:11 am »
Very cool another stargate pin owner  :D  if you ever need some pics of an area that you forgot how to put back together feel free to give me a shout.  It was our first pin and totally spoiled us--now she hums and haws if i consider buying any pin without a minimum of 3 toys on it  :P

Very cool rotiserrie as well i'm sure it will make repairs/work a ton easier for you.
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2005, 07:52:56 am »
After I explained what it was for to my wife, she suggested that I build two of them

Now that's a keeper ... well done!

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2005, 09:34:29 am »

Nice stuff... a clearcoated, NOS playfield is a beautiful thing.  I'm going to follow this closely.  I do not have the balls to try a playfield swap yet, nevermind on one as complex as a Stargate.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2005, 12:43:49 pm »
Lots of luck to you. Like Chad, I'm not sure if I could bring myself to dismantle a playfield.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2005, 12:51:14 pm »

It's not the playfield itself, it's the wiring underneath that is the issue... I mean, that is a LOT of flimsy solder joints that were never meant to be undone.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2005, 06:47:00 pm »
Fortunately, this playfield has been pre-punched and installed with t-nuts already.

I read somewhere that Stargate NOS playfields are among the better ones as far as being newbie-friendly.

There's diagrams and stuff too on the playfield reverse, see picture.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2005, 07:12:19 pm »
You sure the wife didnt want the second one for "other uses"??
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2005, 01:51:52 pm »
Here's a picture of the rotisseries. The second one isn't quite complete yet. It will be painted blue. I had some blue and gold spray paint lying around that I used. I like to think that the gold symbolizes the large amount of money I've spent on this project.

The second one is shorter because I was able to locate the 30" pipes for it. I used 36" pipes for the first one.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2005, 01:52:44 pm »
And here's a picture of the playfield clamped to the rotisserie.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2005, 09:18:08 am »

Very nice... those rotisseries are cool.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2005, 04:22:29 pm »
Today I rigged up a way to get the playfield out of the machine (and back in, eventually) without ruining my back.

I had a cheap, easy to dissassemble clothes rack lying around, so I got the idea of getting another one, suspending the playfield from those, and gradually lifting the playfield until it was clear of the cabinet.

Here are pictures of the first stage, lifting the front. This part was easy since there was a hole and two flanges convenient to tie the rope to.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2005, 04:25:08 pm »
Here's the other clothes rack in action.

For this trial I loosened the wire harness but I did not undo any connectors. The wire harness has plastic guides throughout the machine to neaten up the wiring. I've removed the wires from these guides, which can be done non-destructively.

On the back side, I threaded the rope underneath the two vertical up kickers. I think the VUKs are mounted sturdily enough and they are thick enough to withstand the weight for an hour or so.


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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2005, 04:28:34 pm »
The plan is to lift the playfield up, then scoot the cabinet out of the way towards the back of the room, then transfer the playfield over to the rotisserie.

All did not quite end well, however. One of the flippers is stuck in the up position now. I think I must have bumped something on the flipper coil which is quite close to the edge of the playfield.

The cabinet is filthy inside and it stinks in there, so my hands got really dirty from working in the machine.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2005, 10:08:03 am »
Now is the time to sand the inside of the cabinet a bit and put a fresh coat of black paint in there.  That is if it needs it.  It sure makes them look nice on the inside.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2005, 10:17:34 am »

Scoot the cabinet out of the way?

Secure the two clothes racks to each other, then put them on wheels, so you can move the playfield out of the way.  It is the smaller item.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2005, 10:37:09 am »

Scoot the cabinet out of the way?

Secure the two clothes racks to each other, then put them on wheels, so you can move the playfield out of the way.
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2005, 02:18:41 pm »
I had a high-resolution scan (300 dpi) made of the entire playfield. The image was a 13800 by 6075 TIFF. Here it is, greatly reduced, along with a selection showing some text. Text is hard to scan.





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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2005, 03:45:47 pm »
how did the graphics come out at 300 dpi--i would think that would be plenty of resolution but the text looks pretty garbled (if thats a representative shot).  Have you started into the wiring?
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2005, 05:03:31 pm »
In order to get an actual display-size image, the scan has to be downsampled and reduced.

This is what it looks like after changing to 72 dpi and reducing to 24%.

I diagnosed my little problem with the left flipper, the leaf switch was a bit bent.

I am having a combination Super Bowl/birthday party and wiring will begin after that.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2005, 10:18:26 am »

Why did you do the scan again?

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2005, 11:11:40 am »

Why did you do the scan again?

For posterity, plus someone on rec.games.pinball is paying me for the scan. There are no more NOS playfields for this game.

Eventually I may make a decal out of this scan, refurbish my old playfield with it, and sell it.

Or maybe one of the virtual pinball programs will want a copy.
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2005, 11:27:36 am »

One of those "while it's all stripped" things.  Gotcha.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2005, 02:18:29 pm »
Did you just scan it by using a flatbed scanner and laying it on the playfield and piecing all the scans together?  I have an old playfield that will need extensive touch-up work and I'm much better in Photoshop than I am with paint and a brush.  Picking your brain to maybe see what my options are.   ;D

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2005, 02:21:27 pm »

Scanning and vectorizing would be good, though I would imagine true color matching in the final print would be a hella ---smurfette---.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2005, 02:37:41 pm »
The playfield is so aged, I doubt I would be able to get an exact color match anyway.  I could always do vector paths in Photoshop and split the colors up by layer.  At least that way all the colors would match themselves.  ;D

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2005, 02:40:55 pm »

Well, there would be two paths for this:

1)  Make a full playfield decal and not worry about 100% colormatches, but then you're losing 95% original and undamaged playfield.

2)  Make playfield "patch decals" and retain as much original playfield as possible, but then you have colormatch issues.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2005, 03:03:39 pm »
This is an old EM machine that I'm looking at.  Saying I could keep 95% original may be awful generous considering it looks like at some time there may have been water on the playfield.  I'm only basing this on the bottom portion that's covered by the metal guards where the wood is starting to separate and seems discolored.  To be honest, it may not even be economically feasible to create a full playfield decal for this pin.

I'm not meaning to threadjack, just was interested in the process that Budda used to scan his playfield.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2005, 05:51:02 pm »
I was interested in the process that Budda used to scan his playfield.

I had it professionally done. I own a flatbed scanner, but it is a large multifunction printer. I would have had to take scans of many pieces and stitch them all together. Very difficult considering one little shift in angle can cause the stitch lines to be visible.

Considering all I paid for the scan was gas to drive about 60 miles, it was well worth it.
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2005, 06:36:10 pm »
I'd say so.  ;D  Thanks.  Project is looking good, so keep it up.

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« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2005, 10:39:41 am »
This is an old EM machine that I'm looking at.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2005, 11:38:27 am »
I did playfield swap in an Alien Poker in the mid 90's I took my time but it was worth it. The original owner used a chipped ball which killed the original playfield. Use your digi cam and take pics so you have a refence. I was lucky and at the time I had two AP's so I could do a refence check.
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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2005, 12:06:22 pm »
I was lucky and at the time I had two AP's so I could do a refence check.


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« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2005, 12:27:59 pm »
If the playfield is that damaged, yeah, the full decal may be the only way to go if you want to use the original.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2005, 12:41:05 pm »

The way I would do it would be to scan the playfield, vectorize it in Illustrator, clean it up, and then print it on adhesive vinyl.  Then you would cover it in automotive clears so that the ball doesn't contact the decal.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2005, 01:12:25 pm »
Sounds like a job for MAME Marquees.  ;D  Hopefully I'll be able to work on it during Christmas break and make a little headway.

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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2005, 03:10:20 pm »
I did playfield swap in an Alien Poker in the mid 90's I took my time but it was worth it. The original owner used a chipped ball which killed the original playfield. Use your digi cam and take pics so you have a refence. I was lucky and at the time I had two AP's so I could do a refence check.

How is that game, fun wise?

I was considering bidding on an AP which is located just a few blocks from my house. It's a fixer-upper with backglass damage, one broken plastic, and it looks like cracked paint on the playfield and lots of playfield wear down to the wood. The electronics probably don't work, either. Would that be worth getting for say $80-$100?
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Re: My Pinball Playfield Swap - Stargate
« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2005, 04:08:34 pm »

Alien Poker has pretty much the same PF as Laser Cue, one of which I'm restoring right now.  It's a pretty good game.  The fact that you have to hit the drop targets in a specific order makes it very challenging and the third lower playfield flipper adds a nice twist to how you do it.