Is there a doctor in the house? *edit* Wife is slowly killing me. SEND HELP!

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Someone please explain to me why the eff my BACK hurts because of kidney stones.  I mean, seriously....it's not bad enough the BIG symptom?  Are my back muscles somehow working overtime without me knowing it to work these things out?

Bones, it's keeping me awake.  I can't find a comfortable position for ANYTHING, much less sleep.  What've you got going on since I'm up?

Uh...Kidney's are near your back.

So...you've got stones, eh? Muhahahaha! Karl Rove just got over them a couple of weeks ago...looks like my voodoo dolls are paying off!

mrC

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Someone please explain to me why the eff my BACK hurts because of kidney stones.  I mean, seriously....it's not bad enough the BIG symptom?  Are my back muscles somehow working overtime without me knowing it to work these things out?

Seriously though, if you've really got stones passing through...drink more water than you ever have in your life. It'll drive them out faster, which is what you want. Even though you may be trying to avoid the last part of the journey, the longer they're in, the more you suffer. If you can stand it, drink cranberry juice as well, helps avoid urinary tract infections - which are common following their passage, as the stone is going to tear through your pee-pee hat!

Pssssssssst......pss.........sssss...........................*PLUNK*

I've have a couple. Worst pain in my life.


mrC

[tommy]

I've dressed as a woman for the last 3 or so years for Halloween and gone to work.

[DrewKaree]

I've dressed as a woman for the last 3 or so years

Nice to know, tommy.  That explains a lot, but doesn't really change anything about you that we already thought.  Good luck with that though.

[ChadTower]

I usually get FRESH peas from her mom.

Fresh peas in a steamer

Nothing else needed, cuz DADDY LIKE!

[Bones]

I have never heard of this tea/kidney stone relationship. I have been drinking literally 20 cups of green tea a day for at least the last three years.....

[Havok]

I have never heard of this tea/kidney stone relationship. I have been drinking literally 20 cups of green tea a day for at least the last three years.....

That's crap! Tea is good for you. Avoid soda and salt! (Lots of sodium in soda)...

[Stingray]

Pssssssssst......pss.........sssss...........................*PLUNK*

Did everybody else cringe when they read this?

-S

[ChadTower]

No, because that's the sound of every post he makes.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Pssssssssst......pss.........sssss...........................*PLUNK*

Did everybody else cringe when they read this?

-S

No, because that's the sound of every post he makes.

Chad is confused, because you have to have a pen!s to get the joke in the first place.   


mrC
EDIT: Damn, auto-censor.

[ChadTower]

After that joke, everyone is confused.

[Sephroth57]

PWNED!

[ChadTower]

BTW, I do have a penis.  When not in use, I store it in Seph's mom.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I have never heard of this tea/kidney stone relationship. I have been drinking literally 20 cups of green tea a day for at least the last three years.....

That's crap! Tea is good for you. Avoid soda and salt! (Lots of sodium in soda)...

My understanding is that teas, etc...have a lot of caffeine. Caffeine dehydrates your body. The most common type of stone is composed of calcium. If you are not taking in enough water (2 liters a day), and instead, are drinking buku amounts of caffeine, you are essentially just asking for a calcium build-up in your kindneys. Once a deposit (of any size really) dislodges from the kidney wall, it begins to travel and you're in for a world of hurt.

Solution = DRINK WATER before, during and after a stone.

There are several other types of stones, but people who are prone to those are S.O.L. Their bodies are making them on their own, and I don't believe they can treat it.

mrC

[Stingray]

Interesting that it's okay to say dick, but not pen!s. I guess we couldn't talk about Penis Cheney otherwise.

-S

[ChadTower]

By Mr C's desc, the solution isn't to drink water during moving the stone.  The solution is to drink water regularly so that you don't get a stone in the first place.

When the solution is DRINK WATER... that's pretty damn easy.

[Sephroth57]

yeah when im old ill have to remember that drink water thing

[ChadTower]

Everybody must get stoned.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I had 'em about 3 years ago and none since.  I feel like puking several times during the day.  It didn't happen last time, so is that normal too? 

Yes. Quite normal. Larger stones may induce puking because the pain is greater. I puked with mine. 4 days, no health insurance...so no prescription pain killers either. I felt like a Navy Seal afterward.

Of all the stupid things in the world to pack-rat away, I've got that effing seive they give you

As odd and gross as it is, CAPTURE THE DAMN THING. They can analyze the stone and help you figure out how to avoid them in the future, by possibly adjusting your diet.

One last thing, though, just to pass along this bit of cheerful info, once you've had a stone you're 50% more likely than the average person to experience another! So, just like myself, you're probably going to get them throughout your life. You can cut the percentages down by making sure you consume, once again, lots of water.

mrC

[mr.Curmudgeon]

yeah when im old ill have to remember that drink water thing

I got my first kidney stone on my 21st birthday! Sucker.   


mrC

[Sephroth57]

i think this is all a marketing ploy to buy more bottled water

[ChadTower]

I think people spending $1 on 20oz of water because of the clear bottle is a marketing ploy.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

By Mr C's desc, the solution isn't to drink water during moving the stone.  The solution is to drink water regularly so that you don't get a stone in the first place.

When the solution is DRINK WATER... that's pretty damn easy.

No, sorry it may not have been clear...but it's BOTH actually. DEFINITELY drink ENORMOUS amounts of water while the stone is passing through. It'll push it through faster, and ease the pain since the ureter, and urethra will expand with more water.

If you had to pass a jagged stone through your body, would you want it to skate along on a trickle, or float along on a torrent?

WATER, WATER, WATER....it *is* an easy solution, it's easy prevention, and it's easy treatment. Don't forget to add Cranberry juice during the passage, again, to help prevent urinary tract infections. Those can hurt, just about as bad as a stone, and they'll last a week.




mrC

[Sephroth57]

so what do you do just drink cranberry juice everytime you feel like you gotta pee and hope it comes out?

[ChadTower]

Sounds like an average night out at the bar anyway.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

No. It's just important to get it in your system. Especially immediately after passing the stone.

Acid in the cranberry juice neutralizes the bacteria than can cause infections in the small cuts made by the stones passing. They help cleanse the kidney as well.

Another thing I wanted to suggest for Drew, is, if he's in what seems like an inordinate amount of pain (hard to tell, since the whole process is excruciating), he may want to go get an x-ray. If it the stone is TOO BIG to pass, it can block the kidney, damaging it and/or the bladder, so they'll need to break it up with a sonic device...which, unfortunately means passing many, smaller stones. Yippeee!

There is no surgical way to remove kidney stones, unfortunately. Trust me, once you get one of these ---daisies--- you become a frickin' expert, lest you suffer from them again.

If he doesn't want to drink juice,  he can just down some of these: http://www.azoproducts.com/cranberry/cranberry.asp

Cranberries are also a great antioxidant.


mrC


EDIT: Damn it...somehow edited the post and deleted it when I meant to create a whole new post, so I had to re-write it. Sorry.

[Stingray]

If it's TOO BIG to pass, it can block the kidney, damaging it and/or the bladder, so they'll need to break it up with a sonic device...which, unfortunately means passing many, smaller stones. Yippeee!

The term "sandblaster" leaps painfully to mind.

-S

[ChadTower]

It's an uncharted asteroid belt where you were hoping Alderaan would be.

[Ed_McCarron]

My understanding is that teas, etc...have a lot of caffeine.

There is probably some truth in that, but heres the scoop:

Foods and Drinks Containing Oxalate

People prone to forming calcium oxalate stones may be asked by their doctor to cut back on certain foods if their urine contains an excess of oxalate:

    * beets
    * chocolate
    * coffee
    * cola
    * nuts
    * rhubarb
    * spinach
    * strawberries
    * tea
    * wheat bran

People should not give up or avoid eating these foods without talking to their doctor first. In most cases, these foods can be eaten in limited amounts.

There is no surgical way to remove kidney stones, unfortunately.

Percutaneous Nephrolithotomy

Sometimes a procedure called percutaneous nephrolithotomy is recommended to remove a stone. This treatment is often used when the stone is quite large or in a location that does not allow effective use of ESWL.

Percutaneous nephrolithotomy

In this procedure, the surgeon makes a tiny incision in the back and creates a tunnel directly into the kidney. Using an instrument called a nephroscope, the surgeon locates and removes the stone. For large stones, some type of energy probe (ultrasonic or electrohydraulic) may be needed to break the stone into small pieces. Generally, patients stay in the hospital for several days and may have a small tube called a nephrostomy tube left in the kidney during the healing process.

One advantage of percutaneous nephrolithotomy over ESWL is that the surgeon removes the stone fragments instead of relying on their natural passage from the kidney.



Yuck.  Shudder.  Hope mine stay small.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Percutaneous Nephrolithotomy...This treatment is often used when the stone is quite large or in a location that does not allow effective use of ESWL.

I'd imagine that's a last ditch effort...I specifically asked my doctors for surgery (the damn thing hurt so badly)...and they said there was none. Based on your post though, I suspect they were just lying to me since it wasn't big enough, even though it was (based on the x-ray) the maximum size they were comfortable with allowing me to pass without ultrasonics.

Thanks for the info!
mrC

[ChadTower]

You said yourself you had no insurance.  That's all they considered.

[DrewKaree]

Yah, just got done from work.  The oxalate thing.  That's the tea thing, and what they surmise to be my main problem.  Like I was saying though, I dunno if it's specific to certain kinds of teas, since as shmokes points out, Earl Grey is higher than others in antioxidants, so mebbe certain teas are more oxalate-filled. 

Something I also felt like slapping my forehead and giving a big "DOH!" about today.  Since I'm all over the place and usually frequent fast-food places for lunch, the water used in your common soda fountain is normally filtered.  The chances that the filter has ever been changed since it was first installed?  Slim to none.  I remember my buddy passing on the company memo to me and asking me if I knew where the filter even was

Worry not.  There's far, far grosser things that can and do happen to your local soda fountains that you never know about and will probably cause larger problems than the semi to non-filtered water running through them. 

Fear my technicolor yawn, for I am a chunder monkey.

I like the sound of that.   

[ChadTower]

Too much tea makes it hurt when you pee.