ULTRACADE Discontinued as of 9/01/05

[Crazy Cooter]

http://www.bmigaming.com/ultracade.htm

It's in red.

As always, customer service is #1... There's no mention of it on the Ultracade site anywhere.  Looks like the commercial part of Foley is done.  Now he's concentrating on Arcade Legends for the home.  No wonder he tried to shut down his competition.

[Thenasty]

I think this is his second shutdown. He belly up again before but somehow re-appeared and now again...

[Bones]

As we say in Australia, suck sh**.

[cdbrown]

yes we do 

[NIVO]

blame paige for this one. If he hadnt upped the quality by puttin that marquee on his cab, this would've never happened!

[shmokes]

What about that video pinball thing he's doing...is that still a go?

[Stingray]

What about that video pinball thing he's doing...is that still a go?

Until the next bankruptcy declaration one would assume.

-S

[ChadTower]

The official release of the Pinball cabs is, according to Foley, coming up before Christmas of this year.  If you head over to vpforums.com he has laid his plans out very clearly over there.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

May I be the first to wish his other ventures the same fate.

mrC

[Crazy Cooter]

LOL.

It's funny you guys mention the belly up / change the sign in the window bit.

[ChadTower]

I'm hoping his pinball cabinet succeeds.  It is looking like it will be a product many of us have been hoping for and seems to be fully licensed.

[Thenasty]

Foley don't know what to do......He tries to iliminate competitions cause he's drowning.....Now he trying to get with a MAMEPINBALL to support him cause his tiny brain cells can't handle the thinking/making a software for his scam....Give it up FOLEY, you will never succeed, I think you're just digging your hole deeper and I (WE) get to laught at YOU

[Crazy Cooter]

I'm hoping his pinball cabinet succeeds.

[ChadTower]

There are a number of changes and enhancements that are plainly obvious even from the limited prototype photos.

[Crazy Cooter]

Information taken directly from the internet archive "The Wayback Machine": http://web.archive.org/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20020929130940/http://www.hyperware.com/
(Sept 29, 2002) - from the "Company" link:

Robert Ligeti is the Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer of HyperWare
David R. Foley Co-Founder and Chief Technical Officer

(Sept 29, 2002) - from the "Press" link:
UltraCade Gets a Hot New Look and Feel

[Crazy Cooter]

There are a number of changes and enhancements that are plainly obvious even from the limited prototype photos.

Such as... ?

[ChadTower]

Visual Pinball doesn't display full screen widescreen the way the prototype photos do, AFAIK.  They are also supposedly doing a lot of work on the tables they are releasing, completely vectorizing or even revectorizing the tables to give them a professional, uniform appearance above what they had before.  There is some criticism that they are actually sterilizing them, but this is the approach they are taking.  One of the main developers employed by Foley was posting in the Main forum here not very long ago talking about it.

[Crazy Cooter]

On the VP forums, Foley said they won't be doing any work on the tables themselves.  He said it wasn't cost effective to do so.  That's why he's trying to buy the tables other people have made.

Foley said he's been working on this for 3-years.  Yet he had only 5 tables.  After talking with the guys on the VP forum, he claims to have 15 tables.  He also said he is working with a partner.  My research (grain of salt) shows it to be Mr. Pinball out of Australia, which is strange because I believe they have only had rights to stuff for ~1-year.

He also is asking the VP guys to tell him what they want and he'll try and code it in.  Then he'll give the info to Randy (VP Author) and leave it up to him whether or not to give i back to the community.

[Sephroth57]

i hope the whole VP thing fails and foley walks away pennyless. i hate people who try to make money off other peoples hard work

[ChadTower]

On the VP forums, Foley said they won't be doing any work on the tables themselves.

[missioncontrol]

we need a smiley giving the finger

[mr.Curmudgeon]

What I read was his statements that they were redoing the graphics but not the physical structures of the tables.

So he's only being a partial bastard?


mrC

[Stingray]

How come you can say bastard?

Bastard

---daisies---

-S

[Stingray]

Ah, it only applies to the plural.

-S

[ChadTower]

What I read was his statements that they were redoing the graphics but not the physical structures of the tables.

So he's only being a partial bastard?

No, according to him, and the vpforum seemed to believe him, is that he licensed the Visual Pinball source code legally.

[Crazy Cooter]

That's not how I understood it.

[ChadTower]

That tactic isn't HIS tactic, it's a corporate tactic that is not unusual in the technology industry.

[Stingray]

That tactic isn't HIS tactic, it's a corporate tactic that is not unusual in the technology industry.

Which doesn't make it any less bastardly.

-S

[ChadTower]

Yeah, it sucks when a community based on stealing IP is stolen from.

I agree with the concept of Foley trying to profit off the work of the MAME devs, but IMO, anyone who has MAME and ROMs that aren't licensed are guilty of a crime that is only slightly lesser than Foley's.

[Stingray]

Now that's a little harsh. I have unlicenced roms in my cab. I've never claimed to be the legitimate owner of such, nor have I sent a single C&D letter to anyone, nor have I attempted to trademark any property of which that I had nothing to do with the develpment, nor have I harrassed a single ebay seller and had auctions pulled.

-S

[ChadTower]

But you have profited off of the work of the MAMEdevs, using stolen IP in the process.   Have you paid the MAMEdevs anything? 

Like I said, I consider what Foley did bad, but the fact that the vast majority of those who spoke out against him were also stealing, and also not contributing to the MAMEdevs for their work, the outcry lacked any credibility to me.

[Stingray]

But you have profited off of the work of the MAMEdevs

How so? I've never sold anything MAME related.


   

Have you paid the MAMEdevs anything? 

They've never asked me to. If MAME were shareware I'd have paid for it ages ago, but it's not shareware.

-S

[clanggedin]

oley isn't gome. Just the "Arcade Legends" product. His is actively promoting his Breeders CUp Tournament edition cab on ESPN and other channels. He also has has his other little projects that he's launching before X-mas.

We will never see Foley completely disappear.

[ChadTower]

How so? I've never sold anything MAME related.

By using it.

[lokki]

Unless I am mistaken, they have donation links on their website.  A freeware app that one makes regular use of should result in a small donation to the author.  They don't require it, but it does encourage them to keep on working and produce more things.

You are mistaken, there is no doation links on their website and the mame developers do not get a cent from anyone.
On the other hand there are donation drives to buy pcbs to dump, but all the money goes to toward the purchase of PCBs and none of the developers are making money.

[Stingray]

How so? I've never sold anything MAME related.

By using it.  Sure, it is a "free" app, but usage is profit when the cost is zero.  It's not immoral profit, but it is profit nonetheless.

Not sure I follow you here. Since I only use it for my personal enjoyment, I don't guess I see where the profit comes in.

They've never asked me to. If MAME were shareware I'd have paid for it ages ago, but it's not shareware.

Unless I am mistaken, they have donation links on their website.  A freeware app that one makes regular use of should result in a small donation to the author.  They don't require it, but it does encourage them to keep on working and produce more things.

I agree and would be happy to donate. Can you provide a link? I don't see a donation link on mame.net or macmame.org (I use MacMame, but I understand that it's still MAME, just ported to run on my system).

-S

[Thenasty]

Foley read this messageboard I'm sure....He lurks in here and not say anything....So here is MY ADVISE...

"Give it up Foley, McDonalds has an opening". 

[ChadTower]

Not sure I follow you here. Since I only use it for my personal enjoyment, I don't guess I see where the profit comes in.

Monetary gain is only one definition for the word profit.  Profit can also be described as anything from which you benefit more than you have contributed.  We profit from the existance of this forum, for example, and don't need to make a cent off of it in the process for it to be called profit.

[Stingray]

Okay, I'll concede that I do get a lot of free fun out of both MAME and this forum.

[ChadTower]

Right, and you are not the user I have an issue with.  You're not out there attacking Foley on forums, all self righteous that he is stealing from the MAMEdevs and people with MAME based businesses.  It's not even MAME itself I have issues with nearly as much as the bloated idiots who feel it is their basic right as humans to not only have MAME but any conceivable rom that MAME can be used to play, and god forbid anyone try to intefere with that right or they shall strike down upon them with great vengeance and furious anger.