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I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
fredster:
Shmokes,
I don't like the death penalty either. I did make an alternative earlier in the thread, too far for your attention span.
I said this on page 3 -
--- Quote ---I'm kinda on the Bill O'Reilley bandwagon. If you are a murder then you have to go to Alaska and live in the dark or do very hard time.
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So that would be life.
--- Quote ---By the way, what are your views on affirmative action, abortion, welfare, NEA grants, world policing, ID cards for illegal aliens, billions of dollars in aid to nations all over the world? Maybe you support some of those, but I suspect there are some that you don't agree with and believe that the government should simply stop doing. When someone is doing something that is wrong, sometimes the solution is to stop doing it. I tried to illustrate that to you but I guess the bloodletting metaphor was over your head. Or hell, maybe you felt that it would have been "pathetic" for doctors to stop doing it, in spite of learning that it was ineffective and often harmful, until Tylenol was invented.
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This ranting is the very definition of "pathetic". This is confusing the issue with pointless rhetoric . These are all different topics. Stick to the topic at hand.
But I must say, you are very good at being pointless. You are the King of pointless.
I say that in a non-toxic and totally respectful way of course. :angel:
shmokes:
And you seem to be the king of dodging completley relevant issues. They're not pointless, but they are rhetorical questions. You're not meant to answer those questions or move away from the topic at hand. You're meant to look at them and recognize that it can be perfectly appropriate to simply stop bad behavior. You're suggestion is like telling a person who just stops smoking that they are stupid because they didn't introduce something like gum chewing in its place. I mean, if gum chewing makes life better, that's great, but simply stopping the bad behavior is great too. Gimme a break, you accuse me have behaving pathetically, so I give examples that not only put my behavoir into perspective, but suggest various situations in which you would likely behave the same way, and they are somehow not relevant to the discussion. That's pretty convenient.
And maybe your attention span is too short to remember the part, earlier in the thread, specifically when I was answering your question, where I said that the obvious replacement of the death penalty would be life in prison.
fredster:
Shmokes,
I didn't mean to make you pout about it. It's okay.
You said you approached the problem from the standpoint that the death penalty was "wrong" in the first place.
Then you argued how it wasn't effective with lots of adjectives and graphs to illustrate your point. That's all good.
But in all that you didn't have an alternative that was as effective, until I asked. Just saying "that this is not working and needs to stop" has to be accompanied with "this needs to happen instead" to be very convincing. Wins arguments hands down.
Is life in prison as effective as the death penalty? What is a better alternative?
Problem solving is hard. You'll learn more about this concept next year when you're in the seventh grade.
ChadTower:
Gotta say that I rarely listen to a person's complaints unless they are at least willing to try to come up with a potential solution.
NoOne=NBA=:
Shmokes,
Can you elaborate on your hate-crimes position a bit for me?
Specifically, I am assuming that life in prison is the penalty you plan to use for hate crimes, correct?
(I based this on your previous posts, deducing that life in prison is your maximum sentence, and that hate crime murders are the worst type of crime in your book).
What sentence would you give someone who shoots an abortion doctor because he feels that doctor is guilty of baby-killing?
How about the guy who robs the 7-11, and shoots the clerk to avoid ID?
If I wanted to shoot a black guy for being black, and chose the one working the night shift at the 7-11 down the street, would I get a lesser sentence if I took the money afterward, and claimed that I shot him to get the money?