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ChadTower:


F is on your keyboard too.

Dude stabbed a baby.  F him.

fredster:


--- Quote ---I don't think that you need to find something that works better than the death penalty to decide to quit using the death penalty.
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DrewKaree:


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--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on September 13, 2005, 06:47:24 pm ---
We can't even keep track of pedophiles.  Do you want to burden those resource by tracking honest civilians?


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Yeah, what the hell is up with that?  I dunno what it's like in each state, but here in my state, a sex offender is required to register with the local police before moving into an area, but my question about that dumbass "law" is this:  If the person doesn't register, how do they know where to find them, and if they don't register, what....do they throw them in jail for their sentence after molesting....plus the amount of time between moving in and getting caught?

Just a friggen IDIOTIC law set up to make both sides feel like something got done while doing not a damn thing. >:(

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I don't know if you've seen this or not linky but it may be helpful.

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Yeah, I had heard about that.  The reason I heard about it?  There have been rumblings that those things are "unconstitutional" and "a violation of priviacy rights" because they'd have to be worn for the rest of their lives.

Crap.  Pure and simple.  I've NEVER (and for anyone who disbelieves this probable statistic, look for examples of where I'm wrong before opening yer mouth) heard of any of the judges with these soft hearts in Wisconsin (clarifier, for those of you following at home) who released a sex offender into their community.

So everyone knows, in Wisconsin, a sexual predator can have his sentence shortened by a judge, who then places that person into a community in a home paid for by tax dollars.  Mr Adelman has been the softest touch, and his seeming ability to allow sex offenders to live amongst the riff-raff and not have it bother him had people wanting to enact knee-jerk laws requiring them to be placed in White Folks Bay.  Oddly enough, Mr Adelman likes them well enough to release them early for "good behavior", but not well enough that he believes they can get along in his community without re-offending.

Sex (or sexual actions) with children should be a mandatory life sentence in my mind.  Children being considered anyone under 18.

Dartful Dodger:

Washington man charged for killing 2 sex offenders


--- Quote ---SEATTLE (Reuters) - A 35-year-old Washington state man was charged with double murder on Thursday after telling police that he had decided to hunt down and kill two sex offenders listed in an online sex offender registry.
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I take back what i said about the sex offender registry not working.

shmokes:


--- Quote from: fredster on September 14, 2005, 04:55:46 pm ---
--- Quote ---I don't think that you need to find something that works better than the death penalty to decide to quit using the death penalty.  What I mean to say, is that there should be a really good reason to kill a person and I don't think there are any good reasons in the case of the death penalty.
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I'm not sure what that means. Sorry. I've read it several times and I don't understand that.


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What I mean is that when you find out that bloodletting isn't an appropriate remedy for fevers you don't have to wait until Tylenol is invented before you stop bloodletting.  It means that it's perfectly reasonable to suggest that the death penalty is ineffective and expensive and should be stopped, without proposing something to take its place.  It means that we shouldn't continue taking such a drastic and expensive measures if they aren't doing us any good. 

Nevertheless, life in prison is the obvious answer to the question of what it would be replaced with.

As far as my expertise goes, I mean that it's a complex question that can't really be answered "holistically" in a post on a message board.  That isn't to say that I think I have all those answers, but you took a very nearrow topic (is capital punishment an effective deterrent of violent crime) and turned it into, "Okay, if that's not a deterrent, what is?"  There's not just a single answer to that question.  I'm sorry.  That's why you got a weak response out of me.  That topic alone could make a thread five times the size of this one.

And no need to get all toxic about it.  I was making a good faith attempt (both times) to simply answer your question.  Maybe you missed the part of my post that said, "I don't think there is really any single cure-all that will take care of it." 

Still, I think poverty is the single biggest factor.  I suspect that it is the most prevalent common variable you will find in murder cases.

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