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| mr.Curmudgeon:
Here's something that suprised even me, the curmudgeon that I am: The big story today and yesterday was the horrorshow happening at the convention center (not the Superdome). I've heard anywhere between 5,000 to 10,000 people were being sent there by authorities, where they were left with no direction, food, water, or information. People were dying out in front of the building, young children had been raped, lord of the flies type-stuff in the face of complete social breakdown and lack of sustenance...living walking among the dead. ...and the director of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff said *TODAY* that he didn't even know there were people there. Then when the commentator on NPR informed him that journalists were serving as eye-witnesses, Chertoff preceeded to call it a "rumor." Doesn't this guy, or anyone in his department watch CNN?? It's been ON THE NEWS for the past two days! Furthermore, how safe, exactly, is America, given that this guy is heading the dept. tasked with saving our @sses in the event of a catastrophic attack? I feel safer already! mrC |
| shmokes:
I heard that interview. It was surreal. It sounded like the guy was in denial. He was like, "Everything's fine. There's enough food for everyone, it's just that some people are in places that are still difficult to reach." NPR, "There's not a shortage of food and water? Does that include the convention center." Chertoff, "We have plenty of food. There are daisies growing in my pants. Be happy." NPR, "We have a live feed to our correspondents who are physically at the convention center right now. We are talking to them at this very exact moment. There are thousands of people there, who have been instructed to go there and to stay there. And there is no food or water. zero. There is also a dead body on the floor of the convention center and another outside the front door in a wheelchair." Chertoff, "There are also roses and tulips. I'm serious. Smell me. Life is exquisite." obviously those were not Chertoff's verbatim responses, but I've pretty much nailed them on tone, substance and his level of having no idea what he was talking about. |
| DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on August 31, 2005, 07:58:05 pm --- Save your hot-air for later, right now...it's tasteless. You can go about making light of the situation after all the heavy lifting is done. That's what you do best anyhow. I'm sure you'll be copying and pasting full-page wing-nut satire before all the bodies are dry. --- End quote --- What's tasteless is turning this quickly into a political situation. Let us know what "heavy lifting" you've got planned. I'm guessing a few protest signs is about all the lifting you're concerned with. --- Quote from: SOAPboy on August 31, 2005, 07:59:51 pm --- Cooldown for making jokes about disasters, Was 4 years.. Its now 4 Hours.. Good Times.. --- End quote --- Waiting period for using disasters for political purposes? Used to not be done at all. Now, just a few hours. Good Times ::) --- Quote from: JackTucky on August 31, 2005, 10:14:20 pm --- --- Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on August 31, 2005, 01:28:26 pm ---The mainstream media is not prepared to deal with this sort of concept, so they'll focus on vilifying the "looters" and sensationalizing the mass chaos, as borderline racists on the right feign sympathy, while practicing indifference. --- End quote --- Why won't you villify them? Because they are hungry? Because most of the ones that are shown on television are black? Because you can't blame anyone for anything? It's against the law to steal. I don't care if you're hungry. If I had to steal to feed my family, I'd be prepared to deal with the consequences. I wouldn't, however, be on CNN showing my new Nike's. Please Mr. C, please hold some accountable for their own actions, just once. And blaming me doesn't count --- End quote --- Art, I can't let your misstatement go by uncontested, especially since he knows what you mean, and he'll give his pat answer that makes him "feel" better. Please change your request. It should read: "Please, MrC, please hold someone accountable for their own actions, just once. Someone OTHER than the government." --- Quote from: Dexter on September 01, 2005, 09:31:54 am --- Was only a matter of time I guess..... http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/083105nola.htm --- End quote --- I think the source for your link pretty much sums it up. Hey MrC, did I just "break the ice" for all the one-liners, and that's why it's ok for Dex, or is it just because you agree with him? It's beautiful. He thinks it's so funny, he's rolling around on the floor. Wait, let me get my somber MrC tone down. Classy. People are still dying there and Dexter is throwing his entry in for funniest one-liner? Real Class. --- Quote from: markrvp on September 01, 2005, 09:33:26 am --- Evacuation of the Superdome has been suspended due to refugees firing weapons at military helicopters trying to help them. --- End quote --- Mark, unless those reprobates are seeking refuge from helicopters coming to save them, they aren't refugees, they're degenerate thugs. Hard to believe there's folks there so depraved that they want to continue to fester in that mess because for the time being, they're King Turd of the cesspool. --- Quote from: Grasshopper on September 01, 2005, 10:06:13 am --- The only good news is that this disaster might force George Bush to start taking climate change more seriously instead of giving priority to the short term interests of the US economy. --- End quote --- So let me get this straight. He should be doing something about gas prices. That's a short term interest. He's worked to put more tax money back into your pocket. Long-ish term interest. He SHOULD HAVE left taxes where they were, but he SHOULD NOT leave gas prices alone, and should fix them right now. Climate change, which can be better dealt with through MORE FUNDING - isn't that the constant carping? We need more funding to study blah blah blah, yet we should pass on the economy and focus on the environment? --- Quote --- I'm not saying the hurricane was directly linked to global warming (although freak weather is becoming more common all over the world) --- End quote --- Rii-iight. Hey, this just in: Link to the gospel of the NY Times about chicken-little thinking like that "Because hurricanes form over warm ocean water, it is easy to assume that the recent rise in their number and ferocity is because of global warming. But that is not the case, scientists say. Instead, the severity of hurricane seasons changes with cycles of temperatures of several decades in the Atlantic Ocean. The recent onslaught "is very much natural," said William M. Gray, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University who issues forecasts for the hurricane season." Oh, and in case you missed it, please explain to us whether we should have been concerned with "short term economy" or "climate changes" during the EIGHT YEAR PERIOD between '95 and '03 when ONLY THREE - T-H-R-E-E!! struck the U.S. at full strength. --- Quote --- Bbut it does illustrate that when it comes to dealing with the forces of nature simply crossing your fingers and hoping for the best is not an option. It's about time he started listening to the scientists. They warned that New Orleans was becoming increasingly vulnerable to serious flooding many years ago. --- End quote --- On these points, I wholeheartedly agree with you. But wait, there's more! This same area had an identical disaster befall them in the 60's. Now, Zakk even realized that area is a friggen bathtub, and is ill suited to keeping water away from it at its current location. We've been crossing our fingers for FORTY YEARS! You're correct, it wasn't an option, and shouldn't ever be again. It IS about time we start listening to the scientists who tell us that the Mississippi cannot be shut off from this area unless we want it to sink year after year after year after year. How long ago did they warn about this? 60's minus 2005....carry the naught.....yeah, they've been saying this was a problem for FORTY YEARS, and somehow you are trying to tell us that Bush should be thinking about climate change NOW? pssst....there's decades of history you just walked past. This didn't happen because of problems in the last few years, it's ALWAYS been happening, and everything finally came to fruition yet again. Are we gonna wait another 40 years before someone says "stop building"? And clearly this should qualify as a wetland area. Wont' someone think about the spotted frog? Won't someone care? --- Quote --- Also, a dose of high oil prices might be the wake up call that America needs to recognise that its dependence on vast quantities of oil (much of it from the turbulent middle east) is extremely unhealthy for political, environmental, and (in the long term) economic reasons. --- End quote --- The oil prices aren't high, it's the gas price, and the stock price. The price for the oil used has stayed relatively stable. Stop confusing options prices and pump prices with the cost per barrel. Make a solar powered car that can haul things like a truck, and people will use it, and it won't increase prices like crazy. Make a hybrid that actually saves you money and isn't just for making people feel good, and people will use it, in spades. All these things will be brought about by market forces, and it seems the push for these things are only being advanced by government mandates, which have demonstrably proven to be utterly useless. Forcing someone to produce something that no one wants for a myriad of reasons equates to a losing proposition allthe way around, but I guess as long as it makes a few folks feel good....... --- Quote --- Maybe it could be argued that the hurricane was a sign from god. I'm an atheist but it seems you sometimes have to couch your arguments in religious terms for people like Bush to understand. --- End quote --- I'd have to agree with you again. I'd go with it was a sign from God, but you're working from the wrong translation book. You've got your philosophy book out when you should have your Spanish book. Either way it requires several readings before the light comes on. |
| Zakk:
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on September 02, 2005, 12:46:56 am ---Now, Zakk even realized that area is a friggen bathtub, and is ill suited to keeping water away from it at its current location. --- End quote --- Hey, whoa heynow. I had to read that whole post to get that gem out. |
| quarterback:
--- Quote from: shmokes on September 02, 2005, 12:41:37 am ---I heard that interview. It was surreal. It sounded like the guy was in denial. He was like, "Everything's fine. There's enough food for everyone, it's just that some people are in places that are still difficult to reach." --- End quote --- Also from that NPR interview, and this is a verbatim quote: Chertoff: "There is a more than adequate law enforcement presence in New Orleans" Unbelievable |
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