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« on: July 05, 2005, 08:52:55 am »
A friend of a friend said he had a Xena pinball game he'd be willing to sell me.
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Re: Xena pinball game?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2005, 09:22:01 am »
There is no record in the IPDB of a Xena pinball machine.  I've only found one reference to such a beast on the Net, in a guy's personal blog saying he has one in his bedroom.  Not sure what to make of this.  Either this is a really rare machine, like a prototype, or it's a toy machine.  Get him to send you pictures, and find out if it's coin-operated or not.
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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2005, 09:53:49 am »
yeah, it's a xenon machine, my friend's an idiot!!  Well, in any event, is 800.00 a fair price for this if it's in decent condition?

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2005, 09:58:28 am »
You'd have to elaborate on condition, but that is a very cool machine.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2005, 10:10:16 am »
800 bucks is a good price if the playfield is in excellent condition and all the displays work 100%. I would get some serious pictures before travelling any distance. I bought mine for around 300 with some playfield wear, and put like 100 bucks in parts into fixing it up to work 100%.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2005, 10:26:19 am »
Cool, well i guess i'll just have to go play it and find out...it's not too terribly far away, about a half hour.  I'm not sure of the exact condition, all i know is my friend said he played it and everything appeared to work OK and didn't notice anything majorly wrong with it while he was playing, but he's not a pinball/arcade wiz by any means.  he probably doesn't have as keen of an eye for this stuff as us BYOAC'ers.  I was thinking of offering 4-500 if it was in decent shape, we'll see i guess....but it's a fun game, huh?

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2005, 11:03:25 am »
It is a fun game, great art, a nicely shopped Xenon is a great visual.  A half hour is NOTHING to drive for a good pin at a good price.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2005, 11:17:33 am »
OK, you talked me into it  ;D  I'm going there Thurs. evening.  I'll keep you posted on how things go.  Thanks for the info guys.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2005, 11:45:24 am »
Where are you?  If you don't want it, I'd love to get a Xenon.  Hell, I have two lesser valued pins I'd trade for a nice Xenon.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2005, 12:39:51 pm »
I'm in Omaha, NE. 

I really don't have my heart set on a Xenon specifically, i just wanted a pin in my gameroom, and got in touch with a friend of a friend, and the xenon looks kinda neat from the pictures i saw.

What 2 pins do you have that you were looking to trade for it?  I'm about 90% sure i'll buy it if the seller would bite at 500.00. if he sticks with his price at 800.00, i doubt it.  I should be able to talk him down some, unless he's one of these idiots that thinks old pins are worth thousands of dollars, who knows, he knows it the first pin to use the voice thing, so i guess he thinks that makes it worth more....but even if i buy the Xenon, i'd still be open to a trade depending on what pins you have.  But i don't want an old 70's EM pinball, i mean, they at least have to have the digital scores and ramps, and multiball and stuff.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2005, 12:49:16 pm »
Make sure you check for battery corrosion on the mpu.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2005, 02:00:07 pm »
I'm in MA, so it wouldn't matter what I have to trade.  You say you require multiball, but Xenon doesn't have multiball.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2005, 02:47:10 pm »
I have that strip installed with a new tube and it looks awesome. If it has the original strip expect to replace it. Good advice on the battery leakage, mine luckily had the batteries removed.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2005, 07:24:20 pm »
FYI: Bieza's guide puts Xenon at $1250 - $750 - $300

Anybody have MrPinball's values?

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2005, 08:14:55 am »
This may sound like a silly question, but i've never owned a pin before, so i've never looked at the guts of one before.  Where do i need to look to find this battery to check for corrosion??

What was it originally used for, how were you able to take the battery out and it still ran properly? 

Is that really the only thing i need to look for other than the obvious playfield marks/ flipper sensitivity?

I checked out that blue light strip....def. cool.  I will get that if i buy the pin.  The light seems reasonable priced too.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2005, 08:35:31 am »
The batteries are going to be standard AA.  They will be behind the backglass in the head, clearly visible once the glass is removed.  There will be a green trail of dried acid if they have leaked.

Don't check for the crispness of the flippers, just make sure they at least attempt to work.  The artwork is most important, followed by operation.  Remember, something that doesn't work can be fixed, but art that has been trashed is much much harder.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2005, 08:57:25 am »
Is the glass easy to remove??  I'm going to his house to look at it, but i don't know if he's gonna want me to take it all apart, does the glass come off fairly easily?  What were the batteries used for??  Even if the batteries were corroded, couldn't i just remove them and not use them like that person who posted earlier did?  Isn't corrosion easy to clean off?  Or does it do perm. damage?

So if the flippers don't work very well, i should still buy it and just have them fixed/?  What type of buttons are the flippers?  Just standard leaf-switches??  And any burned out lights on the playfield are easy to fix too, right, just replace standard bulbs?  So artwork should come first, correct?  I might try to bring a camera to take pics, i'll have to see..i'll post them if i can.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2005, 10:45:29 am »
unless he's one of these idiots that thinks old pins are worth thousands of dollars, who knows, he knows it the first pin to use the voice thing, so i guess he thinks that makes it worth more

FYI...I believe William's Gorgar was the first commercially released pin to have a voice, although Xenon was Bally's first voice pin.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2005, 11:53:26 am »
I looked at a Xenon once that was for sale that the seller listed as a small amount of battery corrosion.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2005, 12:18:38 pm »

You know, this pic from IPDB would seem to bear out what you're saying... especially with the lock on the side of the backbox like that.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2005, 01:00:55 pm »
Xenon has a key that unlocks the head, and the whole thing swings open on a hinge. The playfield artwork is by far the highest determinate of price on pinballs. Everything else can fairly easily be fixed, but a new playfield is gonna cost some bucks. You will want to do something with the batteries otherwise the game will go into diagnostic mode/ stats mode everytime you turn the game on. I went the capacitor route, though there are a couple other routes to go with such as putting the batteries off the board, or using a nicad equivilant.

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Re: Xenon pinball game?
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2005, 01:50:01 pm »
A lot of people, excellent pin people, just follow the "buy high quality batteries and replace them every 12 months" method.

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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2005, 08:46:26 pm »
A lot of people, excellent pin people, just follow the "buy high quality batteries and replace them every 12 months" method.

That really only applies to more modern pins that actually use standard AA batteries.
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Re: Xenon pinball game UPDATE Pics Added
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2005, 08:51:51 am »
OK, I  went to check out that game last night.  First off, the artwork is in very good condition I think.  I didn

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Re: Xenon pinball game UPDATE Pics Added
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2005, 08:59:09 am »
The Xenon, working, is a good game.  I'd focus on that one, but if you can get both for around 800, you'd be doing great.

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Re: Xenon pinball game UPDATE Pics Added
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2005, 09:00:16 am »
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Re: Xenon pinball game UPDATE Pics Added
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2005, 09:01:55 am »
Uh, dude, buy that machine.

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Re: Xenon pinball game UPDATE Pics Added
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2005, 09:05:17 am »
Ok...i want to.  I might go as high as 500.00 if it'll make the deal...we'll see, he's gonna get back to me next week.  He wanted 800.00 for just the Xenon, not the road kings, i have no idea what he would want for that, but he said it's a better game, so i imagine he'd want over a thousand for it.  I really don't have room for 2 pins, so i'm gonna focus on getting this one...hopefully for 400.00. 

Is it supposed to talk more do you know??

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Re: Xenon pinball game UPDATE Pics Added
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2005, 09:29:47 am »
I've never played Xenon myself, but you're not going to find many machines with a prettier backglass.  This is a sought after pin.

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« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2005, 10:52:40 am »
That pin looks like it is in great shape for it's age.  I actually have all the pieces for a Xenon (well, most of the pieces), including an empty cabinet, and I plan on putting it together to make my own Xenon in a sense.  I'd easily pay $700-800 for a machine that worked and had good artwork.  In fact if you end up buying it, when you are shopping it out, I'd be willing to work out a trade of some sort if I could get a 1:1 scans of the playfield (mine has some major wear, and I'd like to touch it up, but large section of the playfield art is missing)

I like Xenon, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of a modern pin, but it's a classic and in good shape will always bring a decent price at resale.

To answer your question about the vocabulary, the game uses I believe about 12 separate voice recordings.  It's vocalizer bord may need some repair.  The Xenon used a different sound board and an extra vocalizer board than other games of the era.  These can be hard to find, but they do pop up on eBay from time to time.

here are a few links that might help you out

http://www.dreamstasys.com/xenon.htm
http://www.users.waitrose.com/~xenon53827/xmain.html

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Re: Xenon pinball game UPDATE Pics Added
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2005, 01:29:14 pm »

Did you end up buying this pin?  Don't leave us hanging!

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« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2005, 02:45:07 pm »
Oh man, can you believe i'm still working on it??  This guy, he's an idiot.  It's sitting in his garage, covered in dust, he'll never play it again as long as he lives, i can give it a good home in my game room....he wants 800 for it, i said i'll give him 400.00 but i'm open to negotiations (there are some problems with it).  The voice board is bad on it and he lost the keys to it, so i will have to drill out all the locks.

He keeps saying he'll think about it....unfortunately he's rich, so he can just keep it sitting in his garage and ruin it, be out the 400.00 and could care less.  he's not into arcade games at all, he just has it....he also has a neo geo just collecting dust in his garage, but that one plays blind, i think there's monitor problems.

I''ve told him he needs to decide pretty soon, cause if he lets it sit in his garage all winter, i'm not going to want it...it can't be good for it to sit in -0 degree temps for months.....l have a feeling i'm not going to get it :(  I feel like i'm getting the run around, but i'm gonna keep trying!!

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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2005, 03:49:33 pm »

You can be pretty sure that it has already survived multiple winters in there, so one more will do nothing.

I'd up my offer to $600, myself, because that machine, if in good shape, is still a steal at $600, imo.

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« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2005, 06:44:35 pm »
Locks are $4 each. They are hardly a bargaining chip and he probably knows that.
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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2005, 08:02:45 pm »
Get a truck and a friend.  Show up at his house when he's not home, but the wife is.  Bring $800 in cash.  Offer $600 for the first game, and say you'll take the second off her hands for $200 more.

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« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2005, 08:06:23 pm »
Then run so you don't have to see when he gets home and chucks her off the patio.

Peale is right.  Show up with truck and cash in hand and he will sell.  They nearly always do.  Cash and removal tools talk.  Phone conversations do not.

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« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2005, 08:16:45 am »
Well, i'm not using the missing keys as a bargaining tool, however, because of this, i am unable to open the machine and check the insides, so i have no idea what this puppy looks like on the inside.   And believe me, he doesn't know locks are $4...this guy knows nothing about arcades.

I actually was just thinking about showing up when he wasn't home and telling his wife i was here to pick up the game, here's my $400.00.  I could be gone and he'd never see me again...but i don't want to be dishonest either, i don't want to look at the game everyday and be reminded of that.  Plus his wife isn't exactly the decision maker....she knows he's rich and she's not gonna do anything to screw up her meal ticket.

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« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2005, 08:55:13 am »

Uh, yeah, especially since that is illegal theft, and you could show up and she would just call him to confirm the sale.  Then you're standing there and she says hang on one second... calls the cops, and they arrive while you're standing there with $400 in your hand.

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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2005, 09:41:11 am »
You know there could still be a bunch of corrosion on the mpu and it is still working....... for the time being.....

If he really doesn't know much, you might need to educate him as to what you'll need to do to the mpu to fix it... if it needs fixing.

To be fair, maybe you can negotiate a price with an mpu in good condition.  And a price with an mpu with corrosion.  Then drill the lock out right there and take a look.  Keep in mind a replacement mpu is $199.

I've never drilled a lock out so I'm not sure how long this takes.... ;)

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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2005, 09:50:06 am »
I've never drilled a lock out so I'm not sure how long this takes.... ;)

About 2 minutes.
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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2005, 11:33:38 am »

Uh, yeah, especially since that is illegal theft, and you could show up and she would just call him to confirm the sale.

Well, i certainly wouldn't do that, so don't worry....the game is just as much his wife's as it is his, i was just meaning i could just show up offer the wife 400, she'd take it and it'd be out of her hair.  But in any event, i wouldn't do that anyways, i'd much rather not have a pinball than aquire one in a shady fashion.

You know there could still be a bunch of corrosion on the mpu and it is still working....... for the time being.....

That is my main worry, w/o being able to look inside it, who knows what's going on in there.  That's why i don't want to put a ton of money into this thing.  I'm confident i can drill out the locks, but i don't want to do it until the thing is mine, i'm not gonna drill out the locks if he won't sell it to me.

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« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2005, 01:14:58 pm »
He has your number?
My advice, just give up. He knows your price and if he wants to sell, he will call you. Otherwise, you will just seem too eager. You'll never get the "good" price.

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« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2005, 01:20:33 pm »

Why are you only offering $400?  Is that what you can afford, or are you dinking around his asking price?

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« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2005, 01:48:56 pm »
Well, bascially i'm offering 400.00 because i know he'll want to negotiate some....i never offer my highest bid because then you leave yourself no negotiating room...i'd go as high as 550.00, maybe 600.00.  He wants 800.00 for it as his initial price.  Thing is, i want a pinball for my game room....Xenon would not be my first choice, it's a little older than what i wanted, but, pinballs are hard to come by in this area, so i gotta take what i can get.  I played it at his house, and honestly, in 15 minutes i was starting to get bored with it.  It's a nice looking pinball and it'd look great in a gameroom, but i was just looking for something a little more modern with more ramps, multiball, etc.  So i'm torn on what to do...basically i don't want to invest a fortune in this thing...like an ealier poster said, a new voice board runs 200.00, plus, the thing probably needs to be shopped for another hundred, etc, etc, i know nothing about fixing pinballs, i've only been into arcades for about a year, so just about everything i'm gonna have to have a tech come out and look at...at a price of 65.00 an hour...i mean, if i buy it for 6 or 7 hundred, i'm looking at investing over 1000.00 to get it working perfectly, i'm just not willing to invest that much in this particular game....and i really don't have the money honestly.  When i saw the game sitting in his garage covered in dust, untouched for years, i thought i could get a good bargain for it since it's obvious he has no use for it and wants nothing to do with it....but if i'm gonna pay upwards of 1,000.00 for it, i might as well get a more modern pinball that i actually want.  I was hoping to get a deal i guess.  :-\  I'm not really  into the 'collectability' of Xenon, i just wanted a fun pinball in my gameroom for a reasonable price, and i thought this might be it.

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« Reply #48 on: September 13, 2005, 01:51:28 pm »

You're not going to get a DMD game, as you've described, for $400.

Clearly, your negotiating game is not effective.  Try offering him what you are actually willing to pay.

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« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2005, 02:32:47 pm »
We'll see....he has not refused my offer, he just said he needs time to think about it....don't be so negative, if he comes back with an offer too high, i'll pass...no big deal to me.  Just thought i'd try to 'save' a classic, because i'm sure within 5 years he'll have that thing in a dumpster when he cleans out his garage.

It's no negotiation 'game' i'm playing, but as everyone knows, you never open up negotiations by starting with your highest price, just doesn't make much sense.  He's just really busy with his job and is not real anxious to sell the machine, so we'll just wait and see.  ;)

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« Reply #50 on: September 13, 2005, 02:39:14 pm »


It's no negotiation 'game' i'm playing, but as everyone knows, you never open up negotiations by starting with your highest price, just doesn't make much sense. 

I buy everything that way. I offer what I'm willing to pay. If the guy wants more I walk. I don't have the time to invest in "serious negotiations".

In any case it seems that you are not impressed with this machine. I'd love to own it myself, but if you're after something different, then just keep shopping. If you were bored with it after 15 minutes, chances are pretty good that it will end up in your garage gathering dust before too long anyway.

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« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2005, 02:54:59 pm »
In any case it seems that you are not impressed with this machine. I'd love to own it myself, but if you're after something different, then just keep shopping. If you were bored with it after 15 minutes, chances are pretty good that it will end up in your garage gathering dust before too long anyway.

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Yeah, you are right about that, i shouldn't buy it unless i truly love it...i'll most likely just forget about it unless i can get it for a deal that i just can't refuse.

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« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2005, 02:56:56 pm »
It's no negotiation 'game' i'm playing, but as everyone knows, you never open up negotiations by starting with your highest price, just doesn't make much sense.

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« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2005, 08:30:28 am »
I defined a negotiation....in no where did the word 'game' come into play. 

Negotiation is the way people agree on a price.  This guy is not a retail store, he doesn't have his games with firm price tags on them in his garage.  He wanted to know what i was willing to pay, he tells me what he was hoping to get for it.  Since he knows nothing about arcades, i expained to him the problems with the game and now he is reconsidering his asking price, if he can point out some good qualities of the game, and some things that i did not originally think of, etc, he might be able to get me to rethink my buying price, hopefully we can meet somewhere in the middle.  That's a negotiation, it's not a game, it's a way to do business.

If you never negotiate on your buying prices, i'm sure you've been screwed numerous times.  You probably could have got many games at a much lower price, but since you always walk into a deal with your highest buying price on the table from the get go, sellers probably jump at the chance to sell to you, i know i would.  How silly does that sound, you walk into a place and say "i'll give you a 1,000.00 for this pacman and not a dollar less, no, don't try to talk me out of it, this is my highest buying price".  ;D

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« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2005, 08:55:14 am »

Negotiation is a game. 

Making a solid offer that you are willing to pay, and either buying or not buying on acceptance or rejection, is not a game.

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« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2005, 10:14:05 am »

Making a solid offer on what you are willing to pay and either buying or not buying on acceptance or rejection, is not a game.

Funny, you just described negotiation pretty much.
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« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2005, 10:16:49 am »

Bah, it's all semantics.  Buy the machine!

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« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2005, 10:28:52 am »
I agree :)

I'll do my best to get the machine!  I'll keep you guys updated...again, thanks for all the advice you've given me regarding this machine over the past month or so.  This board is awesome!

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« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2005, 10:30:07 am »

Keep in mind a good pin is so much harder to get than a good vid... the pins got parted out/trashed a lot quicker.

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« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2005, 12:00:25 pm »
Since some of you seem to like this pin, saw this on the mr pinball classifieds today:

Xenon, 1979 Bally:  $850 OBO
Works 100%. Playfield has been mylared after significant touchups.
Backglass almost perfect. Cabinet nice, with normal wear. Not a perfect
game, but a good player. Pickup preferred, will ship NAVL.
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« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2005, 12:04:31 pm »

I'm totally tapped out, way into red, financially right now to the point that I may sell off most of my machines.  So, even if it were $200, I'm out.