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Is Foley really the devil..?? (Previously: RetroBlast is a traitor..??)
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Zakk:
Foley had nothing to do with it, from point A to point B.
M3talhead:

--- Quote from: Zakk on June 11, 2005, 05:50:54 pm ---Foley had nothing to do with it, from point A to point B.  I think it's been established that he tried (unsuccessfully) to profit from the term MAME(tm).  Asking for royalties to 'allow' people to continue using the mame name? pffft. Please.  He didn't step up to any plate, he snuck up and tried to steal it.  Don't make him sound like a noble figurehead, since there's a very good chance he's a weasel.



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I'm by no means calling him the good guy in the fight. He's a snake. Plain and simple. Profiting from someone else's hard work and true love is really a sh!tty thing, but in the eyes of the law, he would have come out the victor, and in so we must understand a few things:

1. Obtaining arcade (or any other) roms without paying for them is illegal (we all know that).

2. Foley is a shady guy and will always look to what's "profitable" for him.

3.By Kevin reviewing this product, we may better understand what this hobby is up against in the future.

Lets not look at Foley as a person who we should follow as an example. Rather, lets see what kind of people are ready to wreck this already fading industry. As for Kev, everyone needs to understand that he is an arcade enthusiast like us all, and he happens to run a (rather successful) arcade review site. By him analyzing Ultracraps product, we can better understand the direction this hobby will take us all.

Please keep in mind people, although we all hate Foley, Kev's decision to review "the enemy's" product may have a positive outcome in the end.









*Note: I hate David Foley



sirwoogie:
As Kevin is a regular visitor to these forums, I'm sure he'll be responding to this particular thread and answer everybody's concern.

Kev is a good, stand-up kind of guy. He's contributed plenty to the MAME, arcade, and pinball communities with his reviews and commentaries. Dismissing him as a "sell-out" is not warrented.

Let's hear his point of view before going off the deep end with innuendo and speculation.
Zakk:

--- Quote from: M3talhead on June 11, 2005, 06:46:01 pm ---I'm by no means calling him the good guy in the fight. He's a snake. Plain and simple. Profiting from someone else's hard work and true love is really a sh!tty thing, but in the eyes of the law, he would have come out the victor, and in so we must understand a few things:

1. Obtaining arcade (or any other) roms without paying for them is illegal (we all know that).

2. Foley is a shady guy and will always look to what's "profitable" for him.

3.By Kevin reviewing this product, we may better understand what this hobby is up against in the future.

Lets not look at Foley as a person who we should follow as an example. Rather, lets see what kind of people are ready to wreck this already fading industry. As for Kev, everyone needs to understand that he is an arcade enthusiast like us all, and he happens to run a (rather successful) arcade review site. By him analyzing Ultracraps product, we can better understand the direction this hobby will take us all.

Please keep in mind people, although we all hate Foley, Kev's decision to review "the enemy's" product may have a positive outcome in the end.









*Note: I hate David Foley





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Heh, my comment was directed at jelwel. :)

SirWoogie: You're probably right, and I agree Kevin will likely calm all our fears, and overwhelmingly it seems like everyone is expressing surprise by 'how it looks', not condemnation.  We like Kevin, but dislike Foley.  Put one with the other, and the cosmos gets all out of whack. 

And who can settle for an out-of-whack cosmos, I ask you?!?!?
Tommy Boy:

--- Quote from: jelwell on June 11, 2005, 05:30:18 pm ---I'm just surprised it took people this long to realize that Foley was generally right. Someone needed to enforce MAME's license (now a trademark as well) and since MAMEdevs never did Foley stepped up to the plate.

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I have absolutely no idea what this MEANS.  Look.  This is very simple.  Foley paid the folks that owned the rights to these games a pile of royalties (apparently) for licenses.  But guess what, the people he paid the money to are not enforcing their copyrights.  That makes him feel pretty stupid.  He's essentially paid for nothing, since the licenses aren't worth much if everyone is getting it for free.

So Foley is mad.  But his beef is with the copyright owners and, frankly, they're the only ones who can ultimately make his business model work.  Before he paid that pile of money, he should have put a clause in the contract that either forces the copyright owners to enforce their rights or gives him the authority to do so on their behalf.

Sit down and think about the whole MAME(tm) fiasco that he started.  How was that *ever* going to do him any good?  Does pulling cabinets and marquee auctions off of ebay do anything to make his licenses worth more?  No.  Pirating of the ROMS is the issue.  And taking over the MAME trademark (even if it would have stood up through the USPTO process) was NEVER GOING TO STOP PIRACY OF THE ROMS.  Period.  Pulling auctions is an annoyance to the folks distributing cabs and marquees.  That's it.

Here's the bottom line and what pi$$e$ me off so much with Foley: He's a lousy business man who will never do us a bit of good in this hobby and ultimately will only manage to pi$$ one more business (his third?) down the crapper.  So I disagree with you Kevin.  Someone who knew what they were doing might make legal roms work for the MAME community, but this guy has no clue what he's doing.

Here's one last thought: How is the iRoms idea any better of a money maker for him if he doesn't get the copyrights owners to enforce their rights.  Will the copyrights owners incur the cost of litigation to enforce their rights without a revenue stream from iRoms sufficient to pay the legal bills plus a profit?  I don't know the answer to this last question but I have my own theory...
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