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TOKN KB16 (Tiger-Heli's Testing Complete)
Tiger-Heli:
--- Quote from: jjd on June 21, 2005, 09:46:08 pm ---Well that tourques me off a bit. I DID give him the courtesy of sending Mattp an email prior to my testing. He actually replied and encouraged me to publish my results.
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Um, I'm pretty sure he is referring to me - Tiger-Heli here. FWIW, I probably would have sent him an E-mail, but I wasn't testing the unit until Mattp had basically accused me of purposely trying to denigrate the unit, and had tried to get Saint to pull all info about the units from the message board. So at that point, I figured I would just help out the BYOAC and if Mattp cared, KevSteele had alerted him to this thread, and he could read it here as easily as in an E-mail from me.
--- Quote ---I guess that is wreckless and unauthorized?? Since when does someone need authorization to review thier experiences with a product anyway? Wreckless? I noted very clearly that I wired the encoder exactly as shown and received perfect results when only 1 or 2 inputs were used at the same time.
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Again, I think he is referring to the fact that I used jumpers instead of switches to test the unit. The problem here is that attaching a jumper is IDENTICAL to closing a switch, so if my test fails, then pressing and holding a switch connected in the same way would fail also.
The fact that he's condemning the testing methods rather than trying to address the ghosting concerns in his E-bay ads speaks volumes to me.
--- Quote ---I hope that my refund is in my mailbox when I get home next week...
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I hope you get a speedy refund also.
Tiger-Heli:
Summary review of my testing with the KB16 is posted at http://www.mameworld.net/tigerheli/encoder/tokn16/index.htm. Not much new ground for those who have been following this thread (I did verify that Print Screen and L Ctrl DO WORK with the KB16, despite what Mattp says. . .), but hopefully it's laid out a little more coherently.
Comments welcome!
KevSteele:
--- Quote from: Tiger-Heli on June 25, 2005, 06:25:53 am ---Summary review of my testing with the KB16 is posted at http://www.mameworld.net/tigerheli/encoder/tokn16/index.htm.
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Tiger-Heli:
--- Quote from: KevSteele on June 25, 2005, 07:47:55 am ---A very extensive review!
One suggestion - you can change the "pics I stole from RetroBlast" to "pictures compliments of RetroBlast". ;)
Kevin
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Done! Thanks Kevin - and thanks for allowing me to test the unit.
BTW, something to consider regarding Crazy Cooter's comments in the Ultracade Review thread (I almost posted there, but decided to wait):
--- Quote ---Promoting (via review) a persons product supports that person in the industry.
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Since reviews are essentially commercial advertisements (that's why the stuff is mostly given for free), just stop being a commercial for a company (Ultracade) that is trying everything it can to run the people that actually care about the hobby out of it.
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I would like to look at my review in light of the above comments:
I don't feel that I posted anything non-factual about either the product or Mattp in my review. In fact, the review goes out of it's way to tell people how to get the most out of the KB16.
Is my review a commercial advertisement? (Well, do you really think people will read my review and be knocking down the doors to buy the TOKN KB16.?)
Does my review support Mattp in the industry - Maybe, maybe not - It does give him a certain level of legitimacy and exposure that he would not otherwise have. It also provides a lot of insight into things that could change on the KB16 Revision II (if there is one). OTOH, it also exposes a lot of misleading statements that he probably would prefer were not exposed.
So why write it?
Three reasons - First, if it is not written, people have one less piece of information and will rely on Mattp's advertising statements and E-bay feedback and may get a product that does less than they expected. Second - the information in the review may help someone at least make a workable panel using the KB16. Third - Hopefully the information may help change the marketing strategy of Mattp and maybe even the design of the product.
None of this is meant to apply directly to your Ultracade review, but it is something to think about.
KevSteele:
I agree with your comments, Tiger - I think that a review, good or bad, is more publicly-available information about a product. The more info the better, IMHO.
You've certainly provided a great deal of useful info about the TOKN16. and it would have been a real shame if you had "boycotted" the product because of Mattp's actions.
Kevin