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JB:

--- Quote from: Tiger-Heli on June 06, 2005, 02:47:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: KenToad on June 06, 2005, 02:25:58 pm ---Nintendo sued and, if I remember correctly, it came out that Tengen had used reverse engineering and were forced to stop selling games.

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I only vaguely remember the issue, but I think that's your answer.  Tengen wasn't in trouble for reverse engineering, but for selling games based on the reverse engineering.  MAME really isn't selling anything (although providing the same things free of charge would be the same thing, so MAME's not out of the soup).

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Actually, Tengen got in trouble because they DIDN'T reverse engineer the lockout chip.

They illegally obtained a copy of the patent by claiming they needed it for a lawsuit against Nintendo, then used the patent information to make their own version of the lockout chip.

So Nintendo sued them and won.


Reverse-engineering is legal, provided it's done properly.

Note, for example, the oft-cited Bleem! legality.
One of Sony's first lawsuits was in regards to the PS1 BIOS. Bleem! pointed out that their emulated BIOS was reverse-engineered, with no original Sony code in it. They won, as they would win all the cases filed against them until they went bankrupt.
KevSteele:

--- Quote from: JB on June 06, 2005, 09:33:41 pm ---They won, as they would win all the cases filed against them until they went bankrupt.

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There is an awful lot of truth about this situation in that one little sentence...

Kevin
Lilwolf:
Wow... I'm REALLY amazed at this thread.

Chris, get over it.
paigeoliver:
Earth to EVERYONE.

The horse got out of the barn 5 years ago. There have been self contained Mame powered zillion game JAMMA boards being made in Asia since 2000 (possibly earlier).

It has been going on for 5 years, without the Mame name, without ebay, and in a manner that all this nonsense is going to effect in absolutely no way whatsoever.

The fact is that those suckers STILL can't make money on location, neither can Ultracades or Reunion Machines or 39 in 1s. There just isn't any interest anymore.

There are two kinds of operators left, those that are out of business, and those that are only staying afloat by selling off their warehouses. Note places like Chuck E Cheese and Dave and Busters are restaurants, and are financially structured as such, and make their money on the food.
Lilwolf:
I agree... But that doesn't mean anyone here should be openly going against the MAMEdev's wishes... just because they feel they are above that... or that they might not make as much money on their ebay items.

come on.  this is rediculous.
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