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Tiger-Heli:

--- Quote from: mattp on June 02, 2005, 07:38:25 am ---The previous quote was simple and fair reply to Tiger-Heli's statement.
He emphasized ECOs strong points by pointing out what the TOKN KB16 did not have.
More inputs and a program to hot swap keysets, all great features, no argument there.
The reply basically did the same, ie pointed out things that ECO lacked that would be a weighing
point when evaluating your cost and feature set.
No one is trying to piss you off here, nor are any attacks being made.

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It was also highly inaccurate in implying that you have to solder with the KeyWiz ECO when in fact the IDE header version is less expensive than the KB16 and uses the same input methods.

--- Quote ---I'm simply balancing some of these quotes that have been posted so that everyone has a clear view of what's going on.

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What you fail to realize is that I think everyone DOES have a clear view of what's going on.

--- Quote ---The hot plug statement refers to the fact that ECOs need run a program every time you replug the encoder which is a very valid point if you are using a PS2 keyboard. This is where the functionality of NVM comes to play. If you can not see the value in that, then I can not help you.

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Not true.  As stated above, ECOs need to run a program every time you need to use a non-standard codeset to support a program that doesn't have re-mappable inputs.  For MAME and general emulation use, this is NEVER.  The only times I have re-programmed my KeyWiz is to launch Microsoft Train Simulator or Auran Trainz.  And in these cases, I simply run the KeyWiz software from a batch file as opposed to programming every input every time to use a KB16 (and then back for MAME use).

--- Quote ---Did you buy a USB keyboard or are you
unplugging and replugging your PS2 keyboard? If so, how much did you pay for it?

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Bought a PS/2 to USB keyboard adapter for $4.95, so yeah, I guess for a desktop controller or to have a keyboard permanently connected, it's an extra $5 for double the number of inputs and the other advantages.
ddockery:
Forget the adpater, if you want a no frills keyboard, you can get a plain USB keyboard for $5. If you wait a while, Office Max will have one Free after rebate before too long.  Getting a USB keybaord or swapping would be a very slight disincentive I guess, but not enough of one to sway most buyers' purchase.
paigeoliver:
Hee hee, Ultracade just had all the auctions for those things removed because they had the word "Mame" in the title.

Or at least most of them are gone, the one I was bidding on go Vero'd.
Chris:

--- Quote from: paigeoliver on June 02, 2005, 10:41:27 am ---Hee hee, Ultracade just had all the auctions for those things removed because they had the word "Mame" in the title.

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How is he still getting away with that?
Tiger-Heli:
I still find 5 auctions available -

--- Quote from: Chris on June 02, 2005, 10:49:51 am ---
--- Quote from: paigeoliver on June 02, 2005, 10:41:27 am ---Hee hee, Ultracade just had all the auctions for those things removed because they had the word "Mame" in the title.

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How is he still getting away with that?

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If Foley says he is the copyright holder and E-bay takes his word for it and pulls the auction before the seller can protest it . . .
(I'm assuming, not active on E-bay).
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