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| Tiger-Heli:
Not sure who Hoopz is directing his comment to (if anyone specific), but I also admitted some mistakes and corrected them in this thread. Agreed, though - Markrvp - nicely done. --- Quote from: markrvp on May 12, 2005, 01:22:54 pm ---Now that I have eaten a nice plate of crow, let me ask a question. In the software forum I have read several posts stating that you needed to use Windows XP in your cabinet, but it seems that Windows98 SE has some serious advantages for MAME. Tiger-Heli and Krick, can you say what the advantages are of one over the other? It looks like my next cab should really use 98SE. --- End quote --- Krick can probably answer better than I can (and did while I was typing - we said the same things and reached different conclusions 8) ), but I wouldn't say 98SE has serious advantages over XP for MAME. (BTW, I run 98SE and have limited familiarity with XP). XP is generally more stable, has better general USB support, but is much more RAM and to a lesser extent processor intensive, and has the annoying product activation thing (which isn't too big a deal except for bootleg or multiple copies.) 98SE - basically the opposite of above - occasionally crashes or needs re-booting, cheaper and or more readily available, limited USB support. Regarding RAM - 98SE is pretty stable with up to 512M of RAM, generally does worse beyond that. (Supposedly the unofficial 98SE service Pack 2 will allow usage with more RAM). XP will barely run with 128M of RAM, works with 256M, really wants 512M and anything additional is gravy, but will be utilized and increase performance. Regarding software - Chankast and some newer Emu's will only work on XP and I am pretty sure Daphne works better on it. However, you no longer have pure DOS, so I've heard some older games don't work on it, but I haven't really run into any (but you probably have to do some more extensive tweaking to make them work). HowardC's Johnny only works on 2K (and presumably XP) and not 98SE for me. Regarding MAME - (Assuming you tweak (www.blackviper.com) XP to get rid of the overhead and free up resources to MAME), the only advantages 98SE has over XP is for the handful (9 or 10) dual trackball games. For these you have to use an older version of Analog Plus, at least until RawInput is added to AdvanceMAME (next revision?) or until it is added to the main MAME build, or u_rebel puts out a new Analog Plus or we see it added to BuddaMame or NoNAMEMame. It was working in 0.74, so it can be done, it's just a question of when. |
| Hoopz:
--- Quote ---Not sure who Hoopz is directing his comment to (if anyone specific), but I also admitted some mistakes and corrected them in this thread. --- End quote --- Not you at all Tiger. And nothing in this thread. Sorry for the confusion. |
| Tiger-Heli:
--- Quote from: krick on May 12, 2005, 02:22:46 pm --- --- Quote from: markrvp on May 12, 2005, 01:22:54 pm ---can you just connect two trackballs with Mouse Hacks in 98SE and use them both simultaneously? --- End quote --- I *think* they both need to be USB mice but I'm not 100% positive. --- End quote --- I *think* they both need to be USB mice in 98SE, but can be USB or PS/2 (or serial?) in XP with the older Analog Plus versions. I ASSuME that by use them both simultaneously you are meaning with the first one as Player 1 and the Second one as Player 2 - (you can have them move the same cursor in any OS with any combination) - if so, then no, you can't just plug them in and start playing - you have to go into MAME and map Player 1 to Trackball 1 and Player 2 to Trackball 2, (and the system mouse if you have one may be Mouse 0 or 1, etc), but this is true of any OS with MAME. |
| markrvp:
Thanks for the replies. My project for the summer is to build a replica Pacman cocktail table. the computer I'll use to run MAME is a PIII 500 MHZ with 512K ram. Soooo, it looks like 98SE would be my best bet for this one. I don't plan to run any games made later than 1987 or so on it, mainly for Pacman, DonkeyKong, and other vertical classics from the early 80s. Now, I have confused myself. To use 2 trackballs simultaneously in Windows 98SE for 2 player games like Marble Madness: I understand that I can use an Optipac connected USB and a current regular MAME build? Is this also true for 2 separate USB mice (with trackballs hacked in) for regular MAME, or do I have to use MAME Analog+ when not using the Optipac? Is this clear, or did I confuse everybody as much as myself? |
| krick:
--- Quote from: markrvp on May 12, 2005, 02:48:37 pm --- To use 2 trackballs simultaneously in Windows 98SE for 2 player games like Marble Madness: I understand that I can use an Optipac connected USB and a current regular MAME build? Is this also true for 2 separate USB mice (with trackballs hacked in) for regular MAME, or do I have to use MAME Analog+ when not using the Optipac? --- End quote --- An Opti-PAC just shows up as 2 USB HID devices under windows 98SE so you can use two separate USB HID devices (hacked mice) with regular mame and have the same results. |
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