Post hot items from Ebay or no?

[monkeybomb]

I find it amazing that you don't see that ome people make a lot of money and that some don't.  My brother is a corporate lawyer who negotiates BILLION dollar real estate deal,  I am a special education teacher.  No matter how much I want something, if he wants it just a little then he gets it.  Money is relative.  Do you really think rich people want a third car more than a poor person wants their first?

No one is entitled to a better deal and no one argues that.  It's a community and a community minded debate.  The real question is a decision between information access vs. great deals for those who might not otherwise get the product at all.  I don't think you even get the point of the discussion.

[armax]

I find it amazing that you don't see that ome people make a lot of money and that some don't.

[Shape D.]

 

[armax]

LOL....ok sounds good.

[monkeybomb]

LOL....ok sounds good.  everyone quit buying the latest playstation game so the price will drop so I can afford it.  Spread the word.   

What happened to whoever want it the most gets it, not true now?

[armax]

post edited.. 

[AlanS17]

We're getting off topic. This is supposed to be a thread about whether to post or not.

[armax]

I thought that's what we were doing?

[monkeybomb]

We're getting off topic. This is supposed to be a thread about whether to post or not. 

(But apparently someone touched a nerve...)

It doesn't matter anymore - He doesn't get it - doesn't support his statments with logic (if at all)  And he's going to post.  No matter what the community wants. To him it's his community.

Take Tommy for example.  He thinks we're wrong, but then he looked at the wishes of the  group and says he wont post now.  Like I said, it only takes one bad apple.

[AlanS17]

Oh yeah, one other thing...

This board has over 7000 registered members, but not just registered members read this board. The moment you post something here, the secret is out for the whole world to see...

So even though the intent may be to "clue in" someone here, in actuallity you're making it easier for anyone with an internet connection to bid against the very same people you're trying to help.

[monkeybomb]

Oh yeah, one other thing...

This board has over 7000 registered members, but not just registered members read this board. The moment you post something here, the secret is out for the whole world to see...

So even though the intent may be to "clue in" someone here, in actuallity you're making it easier for anyone with an internet connection to bid against the very same people you're trying to help.

Doesn't matter, it's whatever he wants.

[armax]

Sorry, judging from others who have posted on the thread, I'm not alone in my opinion.

[monkeybomb]

Sure,  I'm not one either and I like that we realize that about each other.

The logic about whoever wants it most was way off, I pointed it out and I got a tear and an LOL without a real response.

Rather than calling you a bad apple I should have explained my position more clearly.

The point of considering not to post is to keep price down for those that can't afford it.  that is clear the point to post is to inform everyone who might be able to afford it  but don't have the time to look.  What's best for the community is debateable but the poll is what I was refering to as the wishes of the community.

As for don't jump in the water, that seems harsh too.   To many the point of the board is to get in without having the pocket to do so.  I can't imagine buying a keywiz eco to save 15 dollars but many do it just for that purpose.  I actually have enough money to do what I want to and snipe high prices, so I acctually don't care about the posts, but I feel for those who need to keep things mellow in the bidding war.

However it goes I'll  be fine and keep my cool about it.

[armax]

Well I'm glad we're mending fences here

[AlanS17]

I guess we can both agree on this much... We both have sympathy (or lack thereof) - just for different sets of people.

I have sympathy for the people who try really hard to find a deal only to watch it get pulled away. You seem to be sympathetic with people you believe couldn't find parts without your help.

You have no sympathy for people like me who, despite their best efforts to find a deal, get out-bid. I have no sympathy for people who can't handle this hobby on their own despite all the help and support they're given on these boards. (Personally, I think telling a person what to get should be enough. Telling them when and where to get it is more than necesarry. EDIT: If it's a retail site, that's different. There's enough to go around. But on Ebay, there's only 1 winner, and a whole lot of losers.)

Agreed?

On that note, I'm all about helping people here. I've been a member for years, and I've made alot of contributions. However, I know that giving one person a lead on an auction is going to hurt someone else. The chances that the person I hurt being from this board are very high. It's just not productive the way I see it. If one person wins at the expense of another, it's not exactly good for the community at large. If only one person can win it, why not just let SOMEONE get a good deal on it rather than making people battle it out? Do you see what I'm saying?

And you better believe I'll be PO'ed if someone posts something I'm bidding on. And I'll be even madder if someone else here wins it away from me. (That's just a little heads up.) I live in north TX and keep a close watch on everything on Ebay happening around me. Now I'm not going to be upset just because someone else wins something I wanted. That's how Ebay works. But if I were to find out is was because of a lead here... oooohhh.... I dunno...

It's not like I can do anything about it except be mad, but if it happens to alot of people you're gonna breed anger. It's evident from the poll that MOST people would rather not see their watch lists posted for the world to see. So, if nothing else, would it be so bad to follow the wishes of the people that are here to support the community?

[armax]

I agree somewhat.

[Crazy Cooter]

Armax, feel free to post every auction that you bid on.

See the picture?

[armax]

Armax, feel free to post every auction that you bid on.

See the picture?

[Crazy Cooter]

Because I feel strongly about this, I'm going to give everyone something to think about.

[armax]

I think the auctions have benefited many members on this site (or this topic wouldn't even be an issue).

[Crazy Cooter]

You feel sorry for the ones with lots of time but didn't put in the effort to earn or save money for premium parts or simply don't feel the parts are worth it.

You're way off base.  I don't think you understand what this issue is even about.  Just because someone does search ebay 3 times a day doesn't mean they're not busy with work or family and in no way indicates their "effort to earn or save money".  It's quite apparent by your post what you think of people trying to find a deal.  You want to reward those with money, I want to reward those with knowledge.  Which ones answers your posts around here?  And yes, I realize some people have both.

It's supposed to be this simple:  If you want to pay full price, shop at the retail stores.  If you want a deal, shop ebay (in theory).

Our disagreement lies in whether or not links should be posted.  That's what the poll is for.  Believe me, sooner or later (probably sooner) you're going to get people really pissed by posting auctions.  If you want to pay full price, then just do it.  Go to an online retailer and click "buy".  Why wait for ebay?

[armax]

You feel sorry for the ones with lots of time but didn't put in the effort to earn or save money for premium parts or simply don't feel the parts are worth it.

You're way off base.

[tommy]

My head hurts.

[Rocky]

[

naw, I completely understand...

No, I don't think you do. If you just want to argue, then you get the point.

Posting ebay auctions drives prices up... period.

[Crazy Cooter]

Look at the poll results.

[Kremmit]

My head hurts.

I hear you.

(I'm rooting for you, Cooter!)

[armax]

Look at the poll results.

[monkeybomb]

If you want to avoid the next circle feel free to not have the last word.

[armax]

lol, actually the thread is interesting.  I'm enjoying it.  It gives me insight into different members perspective.  I enjoy discussing different aspects of this subject.  I respect Cooters opinion and as well as other members (assuming of course you posted something to add to the the topic rather than posts directed towards individuals....it tells me they have nothing intelligent to contribute...trolls).

[monkeybomb]

okay

[Crazy Cooter]

In quick debate style:
First, I know the difference between capitalism and socialism.

[armax]

In quick debate style:
First, I know the difference between capitalism and socialism.

[AlanS17]

VERY well put, Cooter. You've said pretty much everything I've been getting at.

armax, think of it this way... according to the poll, most people would rather you not post auctions here (including me). Try to skew those numbers all you want... You're outnumbered two to one. So you'd likely upset more people than you please. Sure you'll only tick everyone off only one or two at a time (depending on who's interested in a given auction), but sooner or later, those numbers are going to add up.

What other reason do you need?
Who's going to be bothered more? Someone who misses an auction? Or someone who got screwed out of a good deal? Every-day auctions come every day, but deals are rare. So why make everyday-auctions out of the few deals out there. If someone is prepared to pay full price for something then they can probably get it anywhere or in one of several other auctions on Ebay.

P.S. On a side note, it's very hard for me to stay clear-headed or objective because I've already lost over $100 directly due to the exact practice you're trying to defend. Maybe you'll change you mind the day this happens to you.

[AlanS17]

Because they aren't owed that deal.

[armax]

Alan, opportunity is being taken away.  I like to see those who been searching for that long lost part finally have the opportunity to get it.  Now who wants it most is up to the bidding.  Nothing is being taken away from those looking for deals....it was never theirs to begin with.

As for the Polls, if this represents the majority of BYOAC, then that majority won't bid on the items posted.  The poll is a very small percentage of BYOAC and personally if the majority felt this way, posting here wouldn't be a problem.  They wouldn't respond to it.  Deals are luck, we all know it.  If those willing to pay full price for the item could get it someplace else, cheaper....they would.  NOONE wants to pay more than they have to but sometimes someone else is willing to pay more.  Welcome to capitalism.  You didn't lose $100, someone wanted the item as well.  The item wasnt' owed to you.  The one who wanted it more, paid for it.  you paid the market price.  By the way, read my posts.  It HAS happened to me but I accept that as part of the free market.  If I were in your shoes and didn't want to "lose" $100, I wouldn't have bought the item for that price.  The item isn't owed to you...nor is the deal.

[AlanS17]

Alan, opportunity is being taken away.

You're absolutely right. The opportunity to get a good deal.

[armax]

Alan, opportunity is being taken away.

You're absolutely right. The opportunity to get a good deal.

That's right.  To some it's a good price, to others it's getting a product you didn't have access to before.  Heck, maybe someone should email ebay and ask them if advertising an auction is an unfair business practice.

[AlanS17]

We're not talking about the internet at large. We're talking about a collaborative group of people doing each other favors but staying out of each others' business.

(And screwing people out of deals and forcing them to pay otherwise higher prices is NOT doing them a favor. If it's a favor at someone else's expense, it's not a favor to the board at large.)

If someone is really searching that hard for something, they'll find it. On that note, I'm tired and headed for bed. G'night ya'll...

[armax]

We're not talking about the internet at large. We're talking about a collaborative group of people doing each other favors but staying out of each others' business.

(And screwing people out of deals and forcing them to pay otherwise higher prices is NOT doing them a favor. If it's a favor at someone else's expense, it's not a favor to the board at large.)

If someone is really searching that hard for something, they'll find it. On that note, I'm tired and headed for bed. G'night ya'll...

You can't screw people out of a deal if it wasn't theirs to begin with.  No one is holding a gun to their head's and forcing them to bid.  That's right, you hold out for the next deal that pops up.  If you get it, it's yours.  If not, better luck next time.  If anyone thinks that this is an unfair business practice, let's email ebay and find out.

[grueinthebox]

I like to see those who been searching for that long lost part finally have the opportunity to get it.

If people are relying on you to post auctions here rather than finding them for themselves, they obviously AREN'T searching to begin with.