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Desktop Mini Cab -- Updated 4/23/06
« on: April 28, 2005, 04:59:32 pm »
Greets All!....

I've been thinking about doing a desktop machine (mini machine) based on maybe a Stargate or Pac Man design for my office.

I've seen lot's of bartops....but what I'm thinking of is making it look like a regular classic cab....only in mini size.

I'm pretty sure I could pull this off with a 5" screen (Maybe LCD?) and some sort of custom controls....and maybe a Mac Mini or something custom so I can use a small portable TV). I'm guessing total dimensions would be somewhere around 20" high x 8" wide x 9" deep (these are not based on any real scaled down dimensions...just the approx. size I think I would like to make this thing).

Has anyone done this before?.....I'm totally just in the planning stages of this...but I think it might be a fun little project.

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2005, 05:46:54 pm »
that would be nice!  I was thinking someone should use one of those psone lcd screens, they are about 5 inches and good for the price (~$30).  They can do 15 khz, and not hard to mod for RGB.  Of course they also take composite video as well.

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2005, 05:53:19 pm »
This is an excellent idea. I believe patrickl did a very small Galaga cab with a iPaq, which is very cool, but it simply looks too small to play regularly.

I think a PSOne screen with a MacMini would be perfect. I think with a 5" screen, to maintain appropriate dimensions, it would need to be somewhere around 18" tall (based on a regular 68" cab having a 19" monitor).
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2005, 09:08:45 pm »
yeah that's kinda' where I'm going w/this idea. I agree the ipac was awfully cute...but not really all that playable. How cool would it be to have a desktop arcade .....a REAL desktop arcade that it totally playable?

I like the PS One screen idea....where have you guys seen it for $30?....I'll go pick one up in anticipation of doing this.

...uh....if anyone wants to be me to the punch on this go ahead....just send me a copy of your plans!....

...but the MameMaster thinks....this project will come to life over the next few months....hmm...now where's my tapemeasure?.....
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2005, 09:31:47 pm »
I actually got one from toys r us for 25, but they went pretty quickly.  I've seen them on ebay for pretty cheap.

I modded mine to play in rgb, and hooked up some consoles & pcbs. you have to fiddle with the contrast a bit, but it's a great picture considering how inexpensive it is.

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2005, 11:09:49 pm »
check this out this is perfect!
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2005, 08:57:00 am »
...yeah I'm familiar w/that gadget...but the screens too small for what I want to do.

I'm thinking of at least a 5" - 9" screen.
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2005, 09:49:52 am »
mamemaster,

So what did you have in mind for the controls?

I think some of the miniature momentary-contact buttons from Happs would work well, and they would be about the right scale for a 5" screen. Any ideas on joysticks?

For a trackball, if you could find an older laptop (early to mid 90s), some of them cam equipped with very small trackballs (less than an inch in diameter). Tabletop Centipede or Missile Command with a tiny trackball, that would be cool!
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2005, 09:51:02 am »
Oh, one more thing. It might be a good idea to come up with some standards (scale, buttons, etc.) then multiple people could optionally follow it to produce cabinets that would look good together. Just a thought...?
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2005, 09:55:05 am »
....that's funny you just posted this as
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2005, 02:46:34 pm »
I think the Jakks style devices would be very appropriate. Losing a little bit of realism when your playing on an 18" cabinet isn't going to be a big deal.

Power should be easy, the LCD probably runs on 5 or 12 volts and the Jakks' units run on 6volts. As far as powering on, my current Jakks cabinet has a single switch,  powering on the TV, Jakks unit and the light with a single switch. I bet the PSOne LCD can be powered on similarly; does it even have a separate power switch, it's probably designed to simply go on when it gets power from the PS and turn off when it loses power.

Those controls look like the right size. I wonder if a different handle could be crafted on the joystick to make it look more authentic.
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2005, 04:51:58 pm »
Here you go. Bit-tech's article on converting a PSOne LCD to VGA
http://www.bit-tech.net/article/136/

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2005, 05:06:19 pm »
Doesn't Happ sell those Mini joysticks and buttons etc; ?  You might try asking Pony Boy if he can get you a better price for them.

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2005, 08:12:54 pm »
Doesn't Happ sell those Mini joysticks and buttons etc; ?
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2005, 07:01:08 am »
For a good mini cab?

Buy a 7" Lilliput XGA touch screen

a MII 6000E VIA Mini ITX (600mhz fanless mb which is 17cm x 17cm)

a 60W Morex PSU and a laptop brick for the PSU

you could do cheaper but the 7" screen gives you best res as i've tried 5" 7" and 7.6" lcd's as a mini mame cab and they suck doesn't matter if u make it take VGA in it still sucks.

the lilliput is cheap and has touch screen (non touch screen version avalable) this would make a all in 1 system you run the LCD off the moulex connector from the PSU

I'm using a mini ITX for alot of projects most recently is a Carpc using a Xenarc XGA touch screen (it's the best xga available in the small size lilliput is cheaper but has problems with it's touch screen sometimes)

but if u want it cheap then do it another way :)

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2005, 08:42:39 am »
....I'll do a google search...but off hand what would you guess the overcost of those parts would be?

....I would prefer to run mame in a mini cab to be honest.

hmmmm.......

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2005, 09:38:36 am »
sean:

what is that thing and where do i get one!!???!!???
I have never seen anything like it.

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2005, 09:46:50 am »
sean:

what is that thing and where do i get one!!???!!???
I have never seen anything like it.

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....google is your friend!  ;D

http://search.ebay.com/lilliput-7-xga_W0QQfnuZ1
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2005, 11:47:10 am »
Problem is, i don'd even know what it is called!
The link is to a 7" touch screen, the pic above looks like it is mounted to a psx controller. Did someone make that?

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2005, 11:54:03 am »
Problem is, i don'd even know what it is called!
The link is to a 7" touch screen, the pic above looks like it is mounted to a psx controller. Did someone make that?

Todd

this should clear that up!--

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,35519.0.html
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2005, 06:40:38 pm »
Well a Mini ITX motherboard is 17 cm x 17cm so that will fit in the mini cab nicely.

it hs onboard vga, v out, audio , spdif out , usb , firewire, CFII slot, pcmcia slot

you can get 2 types a MII6000e which is a 600mhz but it's a fanless model so no fans are needed what so ever for the MB or you can get a MII 12000 which is a 1.2ghz

These boards support dual screen on the vga and tv out port and have a mpeg2 decoder builtin and are very low power.

the psu is very slim and it will connect to the wall outlet you can get a 60w or 80w version.

You can use a composite LCD but i've tried it on my 7.6" OEM LCD and it doesn't look very pretty thats why i said try getting the lilliput it's the cheapest xga LCD for that size

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/directron/epiamii6000.html

there is the 600mhz version

it's $189 the MII 12000 is only a bit more its the same motherboard just a diff cpu.

its $129 for a morex 80w version


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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2005, 06:55:33 pm »
Dadgum son - think you might have beat me to the punch!

For our second project, we sort of had the same idea.
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2005, 08:50:19 am »
If you pull this off well, I can foresee not only a Mamey but HOF entry as well.  How clever!  I just can't wait to see some photos.


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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2005, 09:13:23 am »
....you know personally I was surprised someone hasn't already done this!.....here's where I'm at to date---

For this first mini cab....I may go with a LCD "universal" console screen that has SVGA and Composite inputs and a hacked Ms. Pac Jakks unit.

But....I'm obtaining enough parts to build an actual "mame" version if I do end up going that route for mini cab 2.

Personally for me I think my hardest step is going to be the cab itself....I'm moving into NYC into an apartment....so the woodwork is going to be a pain (and messy).....

I do plan on making 2 cabs (ok, at least for now I'll cut the wood for 2!) using the same template (I'm working on it now) which is why I'm thinking I may do a mini Ms. Pac (and/or Pacman....I still haven't decided) and a Galaga (they're such similar shapes).

Here's what I've done so far--

Ordered-
Happ micro joys
Happ mini buttons
7" LCD
Ms. Pac Jakks

Started building a foamcore model.

....as I mentioned I'm moving in a couple of weeks so this may stall for a bit...but I'm getting everything together. I hope to have this finished sometime in June and I'll post progress....

Thanks for all of the great ideas!.....

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2005, 10:04:29 am »
if you got a liliput monitor i'll send u a mod for it to turn on automaticlly :)

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2005, 05:20:54 pm »
FYI-- quick update...(and then I'll hold off until I have some pics to show!)...I just picked up 2 7" Mad Catz Svideo/Composite universal LDC screens from Walmart (via the net).

They are on clearance for $110.00 but they seem to average on the web at various stores approx. $150. to over $200!....

I'll post picks/thoughts of the screen when I get them. They also have built in stereo speakers....so I'm hoping for the best. They were made to retail for $200.

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2005, 09:10:26 am »
I think this is a natural evolutionary path of all byoac'ers i swear.  I was asking about doing just this in a thread a couple months back but couldn't justify dropping as much cash as the project needed to get started.  I guess I'm going to live vicarioulsy through you. 

the problems I couldn't get past were mounting the power supply and motherboard all in one cabinet and still keeping it small without spending a small fortune.  i had a shuttle MB at one point but traded it to civic83 for something or other.  I then traded (again with civic83) and got the 5" ps1 LCD.  I was then going to use this as a power supply (http://www.powerstream.com/mini-itx.htm) but again finances weren't what they needed to be so I shelved the idea...  good luck and keep us posted!
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2005, 10:03:42 am »
....well to be honest for cab #1 (I anticipate making 2)...I'm going w/ the Jakks controller that I'll hack so keep cost down.

but if all goes well....#2 will most likely be a mame enabled mini cab. Regardless to save time/effort I plan on cutting the wood for both at the same time.

I've already confirmed that the guys at classic arcade graphix (http://www.classicarcadegrafix.com/customers.htm).....will be willing to make the peel/stick full art set for me scaled down to my mini cab's dimensions.

So as of now I have my parts on order; the graphics on standby and my fingers crossed that my wood working/soldering skills are good enough to do this!

I still need to pick up moulding and a mini flourcent light for the marquee.....but I have time for those details.

I plan on using MDF to make this as authentic as possible.....so I'm hoping for the best.

...my only real concern right now is doing all this cutting in what is sure to be messy word working in my apartment.  :o

The wifey ain't too pleased about that!.... oh well.

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2005, 02:56:59 pm »
are you going to use smaller t-molding and mdf?  i'd think that a minicab built with 3/4 mdf would look kinda stupid.

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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2005, 03:11:05 pm »
are you going to use smaller t-molding and mdf?
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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2005, 03:56:59 pm »
I'm now on board and following along.  Cool idea and much more ambitious than mine.  Let me know if I can do anything to help.

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2005, 04:49:04 pm »
Thank god... I've been dying to do something like this since like forever. I've given up on making my Mini-ITX portable though. I stopped once I couldn't get my board to read the TV I had.

I'm gonna be watching you young man! I'm really interested in your progress.
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2005, 04:53:08 pm »
....oh crap. Now I'm feeling pressure!  :-[

.....I'll take some pics of the screen tomorrow and post them for those interested as I just got it today in the mail.

I have to say...it looks great (and definitely made to sell for more than the $110.00 I paid for sure).....but let's see if the actual screen looks as good when it's on!
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2005, 03:01:38 am »
Any pics yet?

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2005, 09:05:34 am »
....sorry I've been distracted by some of my other little arcade projects including my rotary joy module for my Mame
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2005, 11:56:40 am »
hi mame master you can try this !!!!

i did build a test bench to check if pcb when i get them so i dont have to open an arcade and try to twick the monitor every time it is a 5" monitor runing on 12v



http://www.arcadefever.net/TESTBENCH/TESTBENCH.html

also i did some research for you on ebay and found one here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/5-Arcade-Mini-Test-Monitor-12-Volts-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ6206868332QQcategoryZ13718QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

good luck ....
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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2005, 12:09:37 pm »
....hey that's really neat....but too late for my little project.

I've already picked up 2 7" lcd screens with composite inputs.

Thanks though....that thing is really cool!
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Desktop Mini Cab -- FINALLY STARTED!
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2005, 07:00:19 pm »
Greetings all!...I finally got off my butt and started my desktop Mini Ms. Pac Man Cab.

I am going to be using a hacked Jakks Ms. Pac; 7" LCD screen; mini happ joystick with mini Sanwa (spelling?) buttons.

I just ordered the full side art and marquee/bezel from Classic Arcade Graphix (they did a FANTASTIC job on my Mame Invaders)....but I don't know the cost of the art yet.

For now, I just built a foam core model to get the dimensions down and have templates to cut the wood from.

I anticipate using MDF for the sides, standard Ms. Pac molding and most likely 1/4" pine (so it's smooth) for the rest of the cabinet.

The model only took about 2.5 hours....I just hope the wood cutting goes as well as the foamcore did!

I'm a little bummed that the monitor looks kinda small.....(it's supposed to be 7"); but I already invested a hundred bucks in it and I can't return it....so I'll stick with it.

Other than that...I'm pretty excited about this little project....now I have to get the wood and I live in Manhattan....not easy to carry on the train!.....

Here are some photos...I'll be sure to update as I get further---

Enjoy!

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Seriously. Will it fit in my basement or what?

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2005, 07:00:44 pm »
more pics
Seriously. Will it fit in my basement or what?

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Re: Desktop Mini Cab w/full cab design
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2005, 07:01:41 pm »
last pic for now!
Seriously. Will it fit in my basement or what?