Romeobt if you ever return, sorry this thread turned into an argument instead of what you needed, this is normally a very helpfull forum.
Stingray, no problem then, i heard the word glass and as a glass man i didnt even think about the art aspect and it seemed like you were taking a shot at me with that comment.
Sometimes comming from the EE section i tend to have a different mindset and i should leave that mindset at the door, i think i just talked myself into agreeing with the "move the EE section people"