Vegetarians

[SirPeale]

Wife and I decided to become vegetarians.

From our site: http://www.pealefamily.net/index.php?m=200504#78

warning: do NOT click on the links, unless you have a strong stomach.

[Dartful Dodger]

A carrot is a living creature, and you don't see anything wrong with chewing one of them up.  It's worse for the carrot, because the carrot is still ALIVE as you chew it.  The cow I'm chewing on took a hammer to the head and died weeks, maybe months before it became my Big Mac.

Poor, Mr. Carrot needs to be chewed up and digested alive just to feed some sadist who gets off on the misery of lower life forms.

Shame on you Peale.

Free the carrots!!!

Return to the carnivorous side before it's too late!

[daywane]

I love my veg's. but I still like my meat.
love to hunt also. must vegetarians I know are unhealthy.
like Mexican food?
wife has a toastoda dish that is vegetarian. one of my favorite dishes.

[SirPeale]

must vegetarians I know are unhealthy.

Unhealthy how?

like Mexican food?
wife has a toastoda dish that is vegetarian. one of my favorite dishes.

Love it, but the wife is currently anti-Mexican food.  Heartburn due to pregnancy, you know.

[tommy]

Nothing like a thick juicy steak.

[cholin]

JESUS!  I looked at one of the videos and it's just gross.  They're like beating the animals with a bat!  Disgusting.  Not only do they kill it,  but to abuse it first?  Come on.

[tommy]

 

[GameOver]

JESUS! I looked at one of the videos and it's just gross. They're like beating the f****n animals with a <auto-censored> bat! Disgusting. Not only do they kill it, but to abuse the <auto-censored> out of it first? Come on.

1)  Language!   
2)  Yeah, that's pretty brutal.  But just 'cuz some guy gets his rocks off beatin' up coons for their skins isn't gonna stop me from eating meat.  Sorry.

[cholin]

No, I still eat meat, but I dont agree with beating the animals first.  Its kinda sad...until you taste that nice juicy steak.

[J_K_M_A_N]

Nothing personal, I am sure you are a nice guy and all but I usually dislike hard core or even semi hard core PETA people. They find a video or 2 or 3 and they act like that is how ALL of them are killed.

One question I would like to ask is, What other purpose does a cow have? I mean, Jesus fed the people fish and bread. Why do you think we have teeth like we do?

I don't mind people who are vegetarians, I just don't like it when they try to tell other people to be also. I am not saying you are trying to tell us to join you but just in general when it happens.

Again, nothing personal. Good for you. I have heard it is healthy. I myself will keep on eating animals. That's all I am trying to say.


J_K_M_A_N

[GameOver]

Haven't you seen what that racoon did to Elf?  That's just wrong!  All he wanted was a hug and that coon was all like 'I'm gonna bite your head off' and stuff.  (I know, just a movie...)

[SirPeale]

I like steak.  It tastes good.

That said, I don't think I'm going to eat it anymore.  I'm certainly not going to convince anyone that it's wrong; that is something you have to work out for yourselves.

What is a cow for?  Cows as they are right now actually never existed before about 100 years ago.  Selective breeding has produced the animals that you see today.

I think that if the animals can be raised and killed humanely, then so be it.  It's the inhumane conditions, followed by a torturous death that I have a problem with.

Besides...animals that have been taken care of taste better.

[quarterback]

must vegetarians I know are unhealthy.

Unhealthy how?

I can't answer for daywane, but I know a number of "unhealthy" vegetarians.

[SirPeale]

I can't answer for daywane, but I know a number of "unhealthy" vegetarians.  They're overweight and/or severely "not fit".  One has sky high cholesterol levels.   I'm not around so many vegetarians at this point in my life, but I'd say about 75% of the vegetarians I've worked with/been around at any given point are less 'healthy' than 50% of the non-vegetarians I've been around at that same point.

I suppose it depends on what you're eating.  You can still eat unhealthy foods and be a vegetarian.

For example: high fructose corn syrup (HFCS).  For the longest time I thought it was just like the corn syrup you buy at the market.  Not so.  Nasty, nasty stuff.

[DaemonCollector]

I offer you one thing...the lyrics to one of my favorite songs...

She's not eatin' bacon, not eatin' sausage
and she won't eat eggs,
Not eatin' chicken, not eatin' turkey,
she won't have a steak,
But I just can't help feelin' sorry
for this poor little lettuce head
You know, I can't stop cryin'
'Cause I know this broccoli's dead
Vegetarian, I'm not a vegetarian
Vegetarian...she's a
Poor little cow, little sheep
Little fish how can I sleep?
When carrots are bleedin'
Plants are screamin' and tomatoes cry
You say it's not so bad
They're only vegetables, that's what you said
Maybe I'm a murderer, but I'm hungry
And they're better off dead
Save a plant, eat a cow
I want beef, I want it now!
I'm gonna eat it cause it's red!
I'm gonna eat it cause it's dead!
maybe I should eat it raw
Let the blood run down my jaw
I'd eat people if it was legal
I'd eat people if it was legal!

[danny_galaga]

you go for it peale! id be a vegetarian if i wasnt so lazy! every time i pass a cattle truck i almost want to become one but the dark side becons! historically people didnt eat much meat anyway, so being a vegetarian is only a small step from that. now being a VEGAN would kill me, thats for sure!

[paigeoliver]

Most vegetarians I have known have been 17-22 year old girls who were mostly candy and donut vegetarians. Not eating meat, but not really eating vegetables either. Most of them grow out of that phase, or give it up after they start gaining weight.

[jbox]

I think that if the animals can be raised and killed humanely, then so be it.  It's the inhumane conditions, followed by a torturous death that I have a problem with.

So this is about morality rather than diet? Kudos to you if you can pull it off, because that's a heck of a lot of things in modern life you are giving up. 

[Bones]

You know those big teeth at the back of our mouths??
This says to me that meat is an important part of out diets.

[psik0tik]

Ive been a vegitarian since I was 4 yrs old and I'm quite healthy. You can eat unhealthy foods wether your a veggie or a meat eater. Thats why theres fat vgetarians as well as meat people. And theres veggie stuff with the exact proteins as meat like beans have about the same as a steak. Plus you can buy veggie stuff now that tastes like meat. As far as humans being "designed to eat meat"  We have a longer digestive system so we are better able to get the nutrients from our foods as opposed to the shorter tract that carnivores have to enable them to pass the meat through their body before it becomes rancid (intestinal cancer). The enzymes in our saliva that start breaking down the food in our mouths and the early part of our digestive tract are of a low acidity level in a carnivore the acid level is about 20 times higher.  Not saying Become A Vegitarian!! just defending Peales desision to do so.

[tommy]

This speaks volumes about the mindset of vegetarians, not eating meat because the food was alive is just silly IMO, as some fast food places say "you gotta eat".

No harm.... 

[jbox]

This is why it's important to be clear which kind of vegetarian someone is before deciding to go after them:
(a) fashion/rebel vegetarians; 
(b) dietary vegetarians; 
(c) moral vegetarians. 

I have heard a fair number of reliable reports that reducing your meat intake from "Depopulator", to about a palm-sized piece of steak ~3-4 times a weak can do wonders for your statistics. I'm not sure I'm convinced by the claims of 'rotting' meat, particularly considering the fact that most of us don't have a functioning appendix (and hence can't process plant matter correctly). However I'm certainly willing to agree that most westerners consume more meat than they should. 

But I respect moral vegetarianism. Life is death, sure, but that doesn't mean we have to go out of our way to add to it all. Considering the massive amount of dead animal in all of the other walks of life though, it's also the hardest kind of vegetarian to be. I certainly like my silk shirts, photographs and toothpaste. 

Good luck.

[Bones]

There are two roads here going to different places.


1) There is the decision to not eat meat for health reasons.

2) There is a decision to not eat meat for moral reasons.

I for one have more respect for the 2nd although I don't care quite enough to have changed my own eating habits. But, I am sure there are options you could choose that would soften the moral conflicts.

Animals raised by farmers who practice good husbandry methods at least should give you the illusion that the animal is reasonably happy until the last 20 seconds of its life. Tuna caught in nets that are dolphin safe, eggs from only free range chickens, lobsters that are chilled before being boiled, these are all things you can choose to discover your own level of comfort.

As a consumer you have the right to make enquiries into the product you are purchasing if unsure.

Food is an enjoyable part of life, to enjoy the taste of something but to choose against its consumption seems peculiar.

[tommy]

For the record i wasnt "going after anyone" just my thoughts out loud.

Whatever reason people dont eat meat is there business.

Goodluck, enjoy.

[daywane]

Hmmm. never meet a fat vegetarian. all the ones I know are very skinny and sick all the time.
I will NOT eat veal after I saw how it is treated, ( calf raised in a small small small cell. (no room to move)
we have large farms all around me. the cows are treated very well
most are for milk.
I have never seen any animal beat to death.
worst I seen was from me. I shot a deer with a black powder bullet.
deer would not go with out a heck of a fight. last bullet did not go off. I had to cut its throat. Since then I have been very carfull to get the deer with 1 shot.
deer meat is about 1/3 to 1/2 of our meat intake here in my house.
I have tried very hard to teach my girls how to live off the land.
we grow a large garden every year. and fish most of the summer. I allways get at least 4 deer each year.
I was afraid they would freak out the first time I butchered one in front of them but they took it very well and thought of it as a learning experience.
My girls know I have a soft side. I cut a beak off a baby bird that fell out of a tree and I hit it with a mower. It really touched me. still tears well up about it.
for me its eat what you kill.
kill for sport. your no friend of mine.
I liked to travel when younger. I tried what the natives eat
dog ( I think. Mexico. not sure what it was. DARN GOOD though)
cricket, ants,. Texas
lizard. AZ and Philippines
monkey. Philippines
horse. AZ
I have been told I ate bat also. ( not sure if that was true)
Snake. TX and AZ (good stuff , and no it don't taste like chicken)
chicken taste like chicken.
oohhh  frog legs .and crawdads. man that's good eaten
I do draw the line on bloot. nope no way no how
also fear factor really does make me toss my cookies. now that is sick
if how meat is treated bothers you try hunting your own. very rewording.
never know with the way times are you might need to know whow to get along on your own wits

[sodapopinski]

I love meat. I don't like kfc however. It gave me man tits.

[Stingray]

My wife is a vegetarian, she's probably the healthiest person I've ever known and she is not in any way overwieght. Of course she eats healthy foods and gets plenty of exercise. She, like Peale, became a vegetarian on moral principles.

I'm not a vegetarian, but due to the fact that I live with one, I eat a lot less meat than most people do. I'd like to become one, also on moral grounds, but I lack the willpower that my better half has.

Kudos to you Peale, I hope you are able to stick with it.

-S

[SirPeale]

So this is about morality rather than diet? Kudos to you if you can pull it off, because that's a heck of a lot of things in modern life you are giving up. 

It started with diet, and that has been supplimented with morality.  I mean, check out this:

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/GetVideo.asp?video=meet_your_meat

The usual warning about squeamishness applies.

So I suppose it's both.

[SirPeale]

You know those big teeth at the back of our mouths??
This says to me that meat is an important part of out diets.

Really?  I would have thought it was the inscisors for tearing.  Molars are there for grinding.

[Shape D.]

Really?  I would have thought it was the inscisors for tearing.  Molars are there for grinding.

correct, front teeth are for "snipping grasslike materials"
inscisors are for "tearing meat", and your molars are for grinding both.

If you

[Sephroth57]

i find this hillarious, coming from the guy telling us how using road cones to chop off chickens heads in the backyard is the best way of doing it

[SirPeale]

i find this hillarious, coming from the guy telling us how using road cones to chop off chickens heads in the backyard is the best way of doing it

Yeah, I don't want to do that anymore.

[SirPeale]

how do I get me one of those one other things? they sound interesting.

Allright everyone, drink your Kool-Aid. Follow Peale.


Just kidding about that hippy site thing. 

The starter kit?  There's a link right there, in fact 'vegetarian starter kit' is a link.

[Shape D.]

If you

[GGKoul]

I feel like a steak tonight...

[JackTucky]

Go for the vegetarian, leave the PETA people behind.  Political groups like PETA give crazy a bad name.

Art

[SirPeale]

Go for the vegetarian, leave the PETA people behind.  Political groups like PETA give crazy a bad name.

It's not all bad.  You've got your radicals in any group.  I believe in a lot of their ideals, but can leave the crazies behind.

[Dartful Dodger]

I offer you one thing...the lyrics to one of my favorite songs...

I'd eat people if it was legal!

Vegetarians taste better, but you need to cook them longer for health reasons.

[missioncontrol]

lol this was funny...........

First off English is not my wifes native language......

We were in the car a few weeks ago and we started talking about the Terry Shaivo ordeal......

Well she looked at me and said "If I ever become a vegetarian I don't want to live"

I just started laughing at her then she realized what she said........

 

[shmokes]

I am at least as concerned with the environmental impact of consuming meat as the inhumane conditions the animals are subjected to.  Grazing reeks havoc on land and the big cattle and pig farms literally create mountains of steaming feces with no good way to dispose of it. 

As far as whether we were "meant" to eat meat or not seems like a stupid way to decide.  We were clearly not meant to wear shoes, but I'm not going to walk around the city without shoes.  I think one should consume as little animal product as possible, but I define possible pretty losely.  For example, I could not give up cheese.  It's too tasty.  So that's just not possible.  But I eat very little meat - almost never beef. 

This is mostly due to health choices and preferences.  Ethics play a role, but a person who is a hardcore vegetarian for moral reasons is necessarily a hypocrit because that person is still wearing leather shoes and drinking milk and eating eggs and cheese, etc. -- all of which involve the slaughering and/or horrible living conditions for animals that apply to the creatures that go into our tummies.

If you're going to go hardcore ethical you gotta go vegan. 

Anyway, anyone not eating meats should really read up on combinations of vegetables that will give you complete proteins.  Animal products are almost the only single food sources that deliver complete proteins (there are a couple of beans that will, I think).  Different veggies have different partial protiens that can be combined to make complete ones.  But you need to eat the foods together, or within a short time-frame, in order for your body to break them down and combine the partial protiens.  If you do this you will get absolutely everything good, nutrition-wise, that meat has to offer, without all the bad stuff.  If you don't, your health will likely suffer.

Oh yeah....and don't use vegetable-based butter substitute, like margarine.  Hydrogenated vegetable oils are filled with little assassins called trans fatty acids that are WAY worse than anything in butter.  Lots of products contain it.  Anything creamy that has no animal products, such as peanut butter (get the stuff with the oil on top that has to be mixed in -- it tastes much better anyway).