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Tiger-Heli:

--- Quote from: Grasshopper on April 13, 2005, 02:36:25 pm ---IIRC (and I really can't be bothered to look up the thread) he didn't say they 'sucked for MAME' he merely said that a keyboard interface is preferable for digital devices, something I agree with.

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Quote from Andy:

I can offer a reason for this. I designed an analog gamepad USB device with a shedload of buttons last year. The Mini-PAC board has the hardware capability of analog but it's not used by the firmware. But then I shelved the whole thing. The reason was I found that apps, including MAME don't seem to perform well when there is an analog gamepad device present. I did not do much research on the cause of this problem, whether it was Windows or the app itself. The problem is, so few games use analog that having a performance hit on the vast majority that don't use it, was unacceptable. I get quite a few emails from people complaining about button sticking or mouse (trackball) stuttering and the solution is usually "turn off joystick support".
I might do some more investigation into this at some point.

Posted in the GP-Wiz intro thread here: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,31677.msg270941.html#msg270941, reply #53 on 10Feb05
CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: monkeybomb on April 13, 2005, 02:12:47 pm ---Tis is why he had to hi-jack the thread.

"Do I need to add electronic division of the analog circle into 4 or 8 sectors? I don't think I do, but will do so if there is going to be a real benefit."

In other words, is there really any point to that thing Randy just released?

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Selective editing (as is mine below) ... he wasn't asserting that Randy was wrong, he was asking what he was missing ...


--- Quote from: AndyWarne on April 13, 2005, 06:09:21 am ---I am genuinely interested in this subject and I think I am missing something.
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This statement is pretty clear and Andy admits that he may be missing something ... after that admission, is there much need for the character assassination  ? 

This goes both ways ... there is certainly no need to characterize Randy as a troll ... I've learned a lot from his postings and he has cool products.

If we keep on with "(R)andy is good, [R]andy is bad" stuff, we'll be left with fewer suppliers posting here, and that would be a loss for all of us.

Cheers.
Tiger-Heli:

--- Quote from: monkeybomb on April 13, 2005, 02:37:46 pm ---tiger click your address it will say this

"Your IP address is shown only to you and moderators. Remember that this information is not identifying, and that most IPs change periodically.

You cannot see other members' IP addresses, and they cannot see yours."

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Ah, thanks!  If I click on it Firefox crashes, probably b/c both it and Proxomitron are preventing pop-ups!
monkeybomb:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on April 13, 2005, 02:49:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: monkeybomb on April 13, 2005, 02:12:47 pm ---Tis is why he had to hi-jack the thread.

"Do I need to add electronic division of the analog circle into 4 or 8 sectors? I don't think I do, but will do so if there is going to be a real benefit."

In other words, is there really any point to that thing Randy just released?

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Selective editing (as is mine below) ... he wasn't asserting that Randy was wrong, he was asking what he was missing ...


--- Quote from: AndyWarne on April 13, 2005, 06:09:21 am ---I am genuinely interested in this subject and I think I am missing something.
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This statement is pretty clear and Andy admits that he may be missing something ... after that admission, is there much need for the character assassination  ? 

This goes both ways ... there is certainly no need to characterize Randy as a troll ... I've learned a lot from his postings and he has cool products.

If we keep on with "(R)andy is good, [R]andy is bad" stuff, we'll be left with fewer suppliers posting here, and that would be a loss for all of us.

Cheers.

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To me he is saying that he missed the point of what Randy did. That comes with implications.  Read it how you want, I'm dyslexic anyway.  (For real I am)

As for pointing out how important they both are to us, I couldn't agree more.
Tiger-Heli:

--- Quote from: monkeybomb on April 13, 2005, 03:04:12 pm ---To me he is saying that he missed the point of what Randy did. That comes with implications.  Read it how you want, I'm dyslexic anyway.  (For real I am)
As for pointing out how important they both are to us, I couldn't agree more.

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Monkeybomb, you have it right.  You have to look at the history.

First in the GP-Wiz49 thread, there was this post (technically by Lotus, but it sure sounds like AndyWarne's point-of-view, and RandyT hinted at that and it was never responded to):

--- Quote ---Just have to de-lurk at this point..
I think we need to remember that it is conventional wisdom that the definition of an 8-way and 4-way stick is mechanical not electronic. The feel of the stick, ie not allowing the corners and being able to slide over the restrictor plate is why the sticks are different and why the T-Stick and even GGGs own 4-8 stick exist. So logically locking the diagonals does not gain much over what MAME already does.
I suspect that in this case the switching is necessary not to add any "feel" but because the 49-way stick is emulating the regular stick through an analog interface. So it's an extra hassle which does not result in an overall gain.
I suspect that if this was simply aimed at being a 49-way stick interface for anyone who wants such a stick, for games that use one, then it would have been accepted here with less of the "trial by fire". It's a great product for this basic purpose.

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Basically saying "That interface should work great for 49-way games, but not for anything else."

Then there's today's post by Andy saying basically:  "I still don't understand why or if this DRS stuff works, but if it does I'll include it on my new analog stick that I'm releasing."

Of course that's highly edited and paraphrased, but you can see why it garnered the response it did.
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