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GGKoul:
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--- Quote from: Chris on March 22, 2005, 12:10:37 am ---I'm glad the decision for me is in my wife's hands; my wife knows me far better than my parents ever did or ever will. I think it's horrific that a new law has been passed that potentially bypasses the person who knows me best.
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As far as the politics, Bush shot himself in the foot on this one (Mr. C will like this story):
News.Yahoo.Com Link
While Bush is fighting for this lady, some infant had the plug pulled (against the parents wishes) because of a law Bush passed in Texas.
Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop...
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As I said earlier.. it appears no one whats to make a bad PR move.
DrewKaree:
ABC News deceptive in Terri Schiavo poll?
"An ABC News poll reached the surprising conclusion that a majority of Americans think Terri Schiavo's feeding tube should remain out so she can be starved to death, but the question posed by the news network portrayed her as having "no consciousness" and being on "life support," rather than an awake, responsive patient with a feeding tube
.....Since to most people, the phrase "no consciousness" suggests a coma and "life support" suggests a ventilator or other machinery, it's not surprising that many Americans
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: fredster on March 22, 2005, 12:37:39 am ---MrC
--- Quote ---OMG! Bi-partisan??...backpedaling already? Majority of Dems stayed away.
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What backpeddling? That was a quote from Bush.
MrC, let's define "spineless" as those Dems like Kerry and his bunch that didn't say yah or nay and stayed home getting their hair and nails done. Doesn't that upset you that your former "man" isn't going to make any stand on this issue?
--- Quote ---At your age, fredster, I thought you'd be able to see through these kind of political ploys.
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I believe I said it was about 5 times. That's what politicians do. It's everything they do.
Let them do their thing.
You should be ashamed of your boys backing down from the fray.
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You don't find it ironic AT ALL that you're demand I hold democrats responsible for not voting, while you refuse to hold Republicans responsible for forcing this issue?
I'll take the "spineless" Dems over the soulless Republicans any day.
The Rethugs have pushed this issue precisely because it's a "no-win" for Democrats. It's not ME saying that either. It's the REPUBLICANS themselves. I *am* ashamed from the Dems that they didn't stand up, but that doesn't excuse the behavior of the Republicans. That's what you don't seem to understand. I'm just not deluded enough to think that it wouldn't have been used against them. In '06, these ethically challenged Republicans will more than likely run campaign ads like, "Senator X voted to KILL TERRI SHIAVO!!!"
Read the despicable Talking Points. How many Right Wing ditto-heads have parroted these exact words over the past 7 days? Why? Because, just like you, they care more about their party than they care about people.
Give me a break fredster, people like you enable the corruption that runs rampant in this administration. Did you vote for Bush? A straight Republican ticket? If so, you are, as a citizen, required to hold them accountable for their behavior. Even moreso than ME, since I didn't elect them. But your lackadaisical attitude, and "Welp, that's politics" approach belies. This trainwreck isn't the Dems fault, and they couldn't have stopped it. If they could have, I'd certainly hold them accountable for not doing so. That said, I wish they would finally learn their lesson and just ignore the Republicans altogether. They need to stand united against this pathetic pandering, as people on your side, including you, don't seem to care whether or not the Republicans do the right thing.
I'm working, every day, to help clean house on the Dems side. Working to get more progressive, upstanding people into the body politic. I *do* hold Democrats responsible for their behavior. They are in office to do the people's bidding, just as Republicans are. The thing I continually find most disheartening is that I've got double the workload because the right let's their politicians slide. No matter how blatantly they disregard the law.
If you stood up, did your job and called these situations out for what they truly are...I wouldn't have half the angst I have for you and your side of the aisle.
mrC
saint:
Far as I know, he doesn't have to wait for her to die to marry his girlfriend. Her current state would be grounds for a divorce in any court I'm sure, no?
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on March 22, 2005, 02:25:48 pm ---not worth living. The poll question also omits any reference to the fact that Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo, has been living with another woman for years, has sired two children by her, and is waiting for Terri to die so he can marry his girlfriend.
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mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: fredster on March 22, 2005, 12:16:13 pm ---Finally the husband has spoken to the media, and he is very very mad. If he had done this about 3 months ago, this would have been over.
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/20/Tampabay/Schiavo___Come_down__.shtml
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fredster,
You are so clueless sometimes, it hurts. I'm sorry. I'm usually patient w/ you but: HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO!!! HE'S BEEN TRYING THIS CASE FOR OVER 7 YEARS IN THE PROPER FORUM....A COURT OF LAW.
And NO, this WOULDN'T have been over. That's the point you cannot seem to understand. First you blame the Democrats for "not standing up", now you are blaming the husband for not being enraged soon enough? My God. This couldn't possibly be the fault of political opportunists on the right? Could it?
Furthermore, since when is a private citizen obligated to prove ANYTHING to the press?? Sure it would have helped him (as far as his media portait is concerned), but that is so far besides the point it's stupid to argue it. Legally, the Republicans have tried to take this out of his hands.
Go back to watching Jerry Springer.
mrC