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jbox:
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Actually that is incorrect. The point of Godwin's law is that it is only 'correct' to compare genocidal facists to other genocidal facists.
DrewKaree:
Offering poll results stating that the majority of America agrees with you? I'm all atingle waiting for the explanation of how you came to this conclusion.
The poll was of 501 people. 44% of the people questioned replied that they haven't followed this case closely (16% not so, 28% NOT AT ALL)
The second question characterizes her treatment as "life support". If almost HALF of the people haven't followed this case closely, how would they know the specifics of this case? She's NOT on life support. She has no machine working to keep her organs functioning. The hospital believes her to be unable to swallow, therefore WILL NOT feed her anything because they don't want to be sued for causing her death (and since there has already been one lawsuit, they are acting in the best interests of the hospital). This is why she is on a feeding TUBE.
Her parents have had legal action taken against them by Mr Schiavo and cannot request anything pertaining to her care of the hospital because of their request to allow her to be given food that she may swallow, tests they wished to pay to have performed to ascertain certain conditions, etc.
Your very own poll, skewed as it is, shows a marked downward trend of "those that agree with you" after only a week went by. Perhaps people asked these questions are starting to educate themself on the subject?
Another question refers to the federal courts saying they don't have jurisdiction because it involves Florida law only. Not only did Zero Hour lay out the fallacy in that statement - "In sum, we conclude that a State may apply a clear and convincing evidence standard in proceedings" - it also explains why this case is even being argued.
If Schiavo HAD presented "a clear and convincing evidence standard", this wouldn't be open for debate. Saying his wife said something while watching TV years ago is your clear and convincing evidence standard?
The legislation passed is to REQUIRE something of this nature to be put into WRITING, so that situations with as much murkiness surrounding them as THIS one does could be made clearer.
The law in this case is anything BUT black and white, which is why there is as much discussion as there is surrounding it.
And the grandstanding is being done by both sides. Calling it a power play by one side or another is ignoring that fact.
Thankfully, once this is all resolved, someone can make a decision long overdue on Stephen Hawking.
GGKoul:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7254897/?GT1=6305
There has to me a more humane way to do this then to starve the poor girl who has suffered enough.
DrewKaree:
But to use those methods opens up the possibility of Schiavo being tried for murder. This way is considered a "medical assessment", wherein the fault would lie with anyone BUT Schiavo, he would be considered "following the medical recommendation".
It's a CYA thing. Someone figure out why they can't do an autopsy on the woman - there's questions surrounding her physical well being while married to Schiavo that an autopsy would reveal the answers to.
saint:
Putting the points on both sides of this issue aside....
CNN/Gallup poll showing 56% think pulling the tube was correct based on 909 respondants (number of respondants per ABC, link below).
But the ABC poll was also interesting showing 70% think that the matter should not have been acted upon by Congress, based on 501 polled.
edit: Utah poll added
Poll in Utah of 400 respondants who said 69% do not think the feeding tube should be reinserted, and 73% think the final say should belong to the spouse.
Now whether the polls accurately portrayed the facts, whether or not you think the poll respondants were informed on the matter, and regardless of what the right thing to do is or isn't, I think those numbers pretty much show that the majority are not in favor of keeping this woman alive.
--- saint
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on March 22, 2005, 10:21:44 am ---Offering poll results stating that the majority of America agrees with you? I'm all atingle waiting for the explanation of how you came to this conclusion.
The poll was of 501 people. 44% of the people questioned replied that they haven't followed this case closely (16% not so, 28% NOT AT ALL)
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